The Hate On Apple Thread

dave1701 said:
What's so great about Ipods? You can get a MP3 player that is just as good for half their prices. Is wasting money on overpriced electronics cool?
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why you hating so much??the ipod touch is the shit, and the only reason it cost so much is because theres not nothing out there like it to compete against it.the other reason why apple cost so much is because they take pride in there work and have superb components.
 
Quiltface said:
I never said it was something apple did or it was all mac users... just something i noticed. So maybe it is the "Mac elites" that I am talking about. Like I said it is a computer and that is all it is at the end of the day... not a lifestyle... not a community... it doesn't describe yourself... it is there to get work done and to entertain you. The Mac vs PC war will be over right after peace breaks out in the middle east unfortunately lol.

And you post in these threads because you have to... deep down you know you have to. I almost didn't too.
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Well this is where you and I disagree. MUG, Mac User Groups, LUG - Linux User Groups, video game clans, hard core gaming, MMOs, Open Source software developers, etc all make up communities of computer users.

It is also a life style for some people. Go into a hardcore gaming forum and say you are a Mac user and you will get taunted by Internet tough guys left and right. Go into a Mac forum and some people will say, Ewwww, you use a PC?

I think if as a person you honestly feel better about yourself because you are a Mac or PC you should probably pull your head out of your ass, but that crap doesn't bother me. Most gamers don't know all that much about computers beyond hardware so that is the standard they set on how a computer works, should run, etc. They almost always never factor in total cost of ownership. They just go by hardware specs. Most Mac users know their Macs simply work, and they are more geared towards software. They don't care about a 15 FPS boost on their video play back, they want to know what software can do what for them.

When you get down to it, from a hardware/software perspective the Mac is very attractive on paper versus every other computer out there. However, there are some deal breakers for some people and they could be software/hardware/OS/whatever related.

I like OS X tons and tons more than Windows because of self contained apps, Unix configuration files, no bloat, no registry, and it follows the standard POSIX Unix kernel>shell design, which is superior in many ways. A major way it is for security.

However, at the end of the day none of that matters if your prefer one over the other that is going to be the reason you use a Mac or a PC.
 
What i dont like about most new MP3 players... ipod, zune, archos...doesnt matter...not apple bashing here... is they dont have buttons! the only thing i use my mp3 player for is when im working out or running or something... i like to stick my hand in my pocket and skip without having to look at it... i dont want a touchscreen for my mp3 player... call me old fashioned.
 
Mattu said:
Imo, Macs nowadays are just overpriced PC, like already stated, since they switched to Intel processors. Back in the day though, when they were still Power PC based, they were worth buying since a G4/G5 would blow the top off a Pentium 4 at the same speed. Much like today a i7 3GHz will blow a Pentium 4 3GHz out of the water.
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You realize that x86 architecture has blown PPC architecture out of the water in pure performance right? PPC has a market, and that is for embedded and closed systems. Networking hardware, gaming consoles, etc, use PPC based architecture and it works great.

Apple made a wise decision on the Intel switch in my opinion.
 
Quiltface said:
What i dont like about most new MP3 players... ipod, zune, archos...doesnt matter...not apple bashing here... is they dont have buttons! the only thing i use my mp3 player for is when im working out or running or something... i like to stick my hand in my pocket and skip without having to look at it... i dont want a touchscreen for my mp3 player... call me old fashioned.
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double tap the home button and controls will appear, if you have a set of ear buds with the mic control in them you can tap that to skip songs. Volume buttons are on the sides.
 
tlarkin said:
Well this is where you and I disagree. MUG, Mac User Groups, LUG - Linux User Groups, video game clans, hard core gaming, MMOs, Open Source software developers, etc all make up communities of computer users.

It is also a life style for some people. Go into a hardcore gaming forum and say you are a Mac user and you will get taunted by Internet tough guys left and right. Go into a Mac forum and some people will say, Ewwww, you use a PC?
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I will agree to disagree with you.

I can understand gaming groups and developers as part of their "life style" but I guess i can never define myself as a windows user or a linux user...or mac if i used them or a member of the win/mac/linux community. I think the OS is important dont get me wrong but i dont use my computer to play with the os. If you are a gamer that is one thing that is your hobby... same with developers hobby as well or possibly your money maker... beyond that it's just silly.

Stand by your choice of computing equipment but don't let it go past that. I guess if I had to pick an Os that is my os it would have to be windows... more so the server os. I think the servers are capable of so much despite their outrageous pricetag. The extent of my linux server experience has been nothing but niche things like monitoring like mrtg and ntop... IDS/IPS(snort) and firewalls... I have yet to work for a company that uses the mac servers, Im not even sure what they are used for exactly, do you or anyone have examples of the mac servers.. i know you use them tlarkin.
 
tlarkin said:
double tap the home button and controls will appear, if you have a set of ear buds with the mic control in them you can tap that to skip songs. Volume buttons are on the sides.
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i cant feel it though... i like to stick my hand in my pocket (this sounds bad already) and just push a button, i dont want to look at it... and no mic ear buds. dont get me started on ear buds lol Just personal preference really... i just hope my mp3 player never breaks if they get rid of actual buttons on mp3 players which they probably will.
 
Apple seems to be a sort hippie of computer companies. Seems like apple-heads complain all the time when ever they use a PC too. "my mac can't get viruses" "I don't know why anyone buy's PCs"

Example of "Apple-ism"

In my high school, we had PCs, good dell core 2's. Most of the district had PCs. However for some reason, the alternative high school had Macs. They got those Macs because there is a stigma surrounding Macs that make some users feel aloof. But, this was on the taxpayer's dime. The worst part was, they were less reliable than the PCs. Their wireless was having problems, and nobody knew how to use Macs anyway.

I don't care if people buy them for themselfs, they can do whatever they want, but a taxpayer funded school is using Macs is rediculous. I'm sure they discount them some, but that's a rediculous waste of money for a school.
 
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Quiltface said:
... Im not even sure what they are used for exactly, do you or anyone have examples of the mac servers.. i know you use them tlarkin.
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Just hosting OS X services, AFP, SMB, NFS, Netboot, Apache, MySQL, Software update, Open Directory, etc. Home folder and network share hosting. Basically the same thing a Windows server does. iCal server, iTunesU, XGRID, Wikis, blogs, and everything else the mac can plug into.

You can use them with AD Windows servers too and you can host Mac home folders on SMB shares.

Though Apple just discontinued their server line, so no idea what they are going to do next. I suspect they open it up for virtualization and third party to run native.
 
dave1701 said:
Apple seems to be a sort hippie of computer companies. Seems like apple-heads complain all the time when ever they use a PC too. "my mac can't get viruses" "I don't know why anyone buy's PCs"

Example of "Apple-ism"

In my high school, we had PCs, good dell core 2's. Most of the district had PCs. However for some reason, the alternative high school had Macs. They got those Macs because there is a stigma surrounding Macs that make some users feel aloof. But, this was on the taxpayer's dime. The worst part was, they were less reliable than the PCs. Their wireless was having problems, and nobody knew how to use Macs anyway.

I don't care if people buy them for themselfs, they can do whatever they want, but a taxpayer funded school is using Macs is rediculous. I'm sure they discount them some, but that's a rediculous waste of money for a school.
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Probably because Apple computers have a lower cost of ownership. It makes more sense to keep the same Mac for 7 years rather than replace outdated Dell's every 3 years. Also, they are easier to use, which is good for students who aren't good with computers. Also, a sleek all-in-one reduces clutter in computer labs. And Apple gives huge discounts to schools who buy in bulk. Not to mention the security advantages, and the vastly superior customer support.

However, since "teh specz r bad for gamez, and i can't buildz it myself" people dismiss them as rubbish.

tlarkin said:
Though Apple just discontinued their server line, so no idea what they are going to do next. I suspect they open it up for virtualization and third party to run native.
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They discontinued Xserve, but they quietly introduced Mac Pro Servers.
 
Quiltface said:
i cant feel it though... i like to stick my hand in my pocket (this sounds bad already) and just push a button, i dont want to look at it... and no mic ear buds. dont get me started on ear buds lol Just personal preference really... i just hope my mp3 player never breaks if they get rid of actual buttons on mp3 players which they probably will.
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Well if it is just for working out why not get a shuffle? cheaper, you can sync it all the time with random music from playlists and it has buttons. I mean an iPod touch for working out is a bit excessive don't you think? Unless you are using apps to keep track exercises, calories burnt, work out regiments, miles jogged, etc.

My friend's fiancé has the iPod shuffle and the add on that plugs into her Nike shoes that keeps track of everything she does and then it interfaces with apps on her iPhone and Mac. She runs a lot and just ran a marathon though, so for her it was perfect.

Apple seems to be a sort hippie of computer companies. Seems like apple-heads complain all the time when ever they use a PC too. "my mac can't get viruses" "I don't know why anyone buy's PCs"

Example of "Apple-ism"

In my high school, we had PCs, good dell core 2's. Most of the district had PCs. However for some reason, the alternative high school had Macs. They got those Macs because there is a stigma surrounding Macs that make some users feel aloof. But, this was on the taxpayer's dime. The worst part was, they were less reliable than the PCs. Their wireless was having problems, and nobody knew how to use Macs anyway.

I don't care if people buy them for themselfs, they can do whatever they want, but a taxpayer funded school is using Macs is rediculous. I'm sure they discount them some, but that's a rediculous waste of money for a school.
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Dells are horrid machine, re-branded cheap lowest bid hardware. You never know what you are really getting with a Dell which is why they are so cheap. Their support is outsource, good luck talking to Joey from Indiana but he has a very thick Southern Asian accent.

Again, you aren't seeing overall cost of ownership.

They discontinued Xserve, but they quietly introduced Mac Pro Servers.
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Not a server really. No rack mount case, no redundant power supplies, not really comparable if you ask me. Also no lights out management.
 
tlarkin said:
Just hosting OS X services, AFP, SMB, NFS, Netboot, Apache, MySQL, Software update, Open Directory, etc. Home folder and network share hosting. Basically the same thing a Windows server does. iCal server, iTunesU, XGRID, Wikis, blogs, and everything else the mac can plug into.

You can use them with AD Windows servers too and you can host Mac home folders on SMB shares.

Though Apple just discontinued their server line, so no idea what they are going to do next. I suspect they open it up for virtualization and third party to run native.
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I actually did some quick reading after I posted that, and found that apple was a considerable contender for a SMB granted you had mac's but not necessary, but was a toss up between the 2 platforms. but Windows server owns the larger business and enterprises. that was probably a gimmie. Most notably the directory services in windows is much more robust and replication across many domain controllers is more efficient as the apple server uses the old WinNT theory of a PDC and BDC's. But Apple apparently has a much easier file and print sharing feature. Do you know if it has a shadow copy "like" feature?

Well if it is just for working out why not get a shuffle?
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I still want a screen...i still dont like itunes and i want more than 2GB of space which seems to be all that the shuffle has.

Dells are horrid machine
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We agree on something!
 
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tech savvy said:
why you hating so much??the ipod touch is the shit, and the only reason it cost so much is because theres not nothing out there like it to compete against it.the other reason why apple cost so much is because they take pride in there work and have superb components.
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I prefer the Zune. I like that it is smaller, though the app store sucks. However since I don't use the app store, it's no biggie.

@Quitltface: I agree, it is kind of a pain switching songs with a touch screen, when the player is in your pocket.

@Dave, regarding stupid post complaining about the buttons on Mac's: Most first time computer users aren't using a Mac, they are using PCs.
 
They once did make Mac OS for PCs as well, but thanks to piracy Apple almost went bankrupt in the 90s.
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No, that's not why they almost went bankrupt.

ON TOPIC, HOWEVER, I'm not too fond of macs. THIS IS JUST ME, HOWEVER, AND MY REASONS MAY NOT APPLY TO EVERYONE. I just see no use for a mac - there's always going to be some silly programs that I absolutely need Windows for, and I'm not going to spend extra $100+ on a piece of software for a machine that already costs a lot. I like tinkering around with the computers - I like building my own. And Mac OS isn't a big plus for me, I'm not saying it's bad but my experience with it on our school computers wasn't particularly great (I'm not blaming it on the OS itself, there had got to be something wrong with the way they were set up, but I didn't see how it is that great).

The total ownership cost is one thing that doesn't really apply to me either. I used a '99 P3 machine with 256MB RAM that cost me $200 for three years (05-08) as my primary machine, spent absolutely no money on upgrading it (not that there were many upgrade options anyway). Said computer currently has Arch installed on it and is still in good use (not usually by me, though). That, of course, is a cherry picked example of how little you (well, I) can make due with. Point being that I don't need to go on an upgrading spree every few years just because I have PC and still be a-ok with what I have.
 
Yea, I have old PCs that have been used to hell and back and are still chuggin' along. Dells are dependable, I don't know what your talking about.
 
Ethan3.14159 said:
Probably because Apple computers have a lower cost of ownership. It makes more sense to keep the same Mac for 7 years rather than replace outdated Dell's every 3 years. Also, they are easier to use, which is good for students who aren't good with computers. Also, a sleek all-in-one reduces clutter in computer labs. And Apple gives huge discounts to schools who buy in bulk. Not to mention the security advantages, and the vastly superior customer support.

However, since "teh specz r bad for gamez, and i can't buildz it myself" people dismiss them as rubbish.


They discontinued Xserve, but they quietly introduced Mac Pro Servers.
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Ethan3.14159 said:
Probably because Apple computers have a lower cost of ownership. It makes more sense to keep the same Mac for 7 years rather than replace outdated Dell's every 3 years. Also, they are easier to use, which is good for students who aren't good with computers. Also, a sleek all-in-one reduces clutter in computer labs. And Apple gives huge discounts to schools who buy in bulk. Not to mention the security advantages, and the vastly superior customer support.
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This entire thread deserves to be put in the fail thread if possible.

Mac's have pros and cons
Pc's have pros and cons

Dell/HP/Compaq etc are garbage and should not be included in this debate.

Above text that is bolded is from a Mac fanboy trying to troll, but I will feed him anyway.

A computer regardless of make will lose money. Total cost of ownership is nothing but bs. A poorly maintained PC/Mac won't last long compared too a well maintained PC/Mac that will last 10 years(Sounds a lot like cars).

Security is moot as with the above it depends on the user. When I first built the rig in my sig I didn't even think about putting AV for a good month and a half. Funny as how I didn't getting malicious software. Simply being smart about how you use the internet is the best defence against someone trying to mess up your computer.

Nuff said
*Stands back and watches both sides fling glittery poo at each other*
 
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