Jabes
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yea or its just like my sig lol
XP or Vista
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yea or its just like my sig lol
cybereclipse
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well, my laptop came with vista...and i upgraded to xp
IMO, vista is close to windows me in crapiness
im sure it looks pretty and all, but is it really worth all those system resources to run a pretty little sidebar??
mac osx FTW....
btw, im sure i will be flamed for this, but what can vista do that osx cant...
(except crash
)
IMO, vista is close to windows me in crapiness
im sure it looks pretty and all, but is it really worth all those system resources to run a pretty little sidebar??
mac osx FTW....
btw, im sure i will be flamed for this, but what can vista do that osx cant...
(except crash
)
Diamondsleeper
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Yeah, it has totally been put down. I run lots of RAID environments for work, set up multiple RAIDs for audio recording and video production. I have both independent record labels and video production companies as clients. There are tons of articles on Tomshardware.com about how SLI is pretty much not worth the money. Running RAID 0 does not improve gaming performance, it does not give you more frames per a second, it may load the game slightly faster and you run a higher risk of failure since all data is stored across multiple drives and if one drive fails your whole RAID crashes.
I think I need to pull up a couple of those articles and read them to my computer and tell it to stop performing noticeably better in SLI and in RAID 0 so it will stop doing that. Its going against what is being written.
But regardless of that I think you are missing the point. Bascially, if you are able to affored SLI, then sure, do it.
It's like a car. Does a Porche cost 2 or 3 times what a mustang GT cost? Yes. Is the porche faster? Yes. Is it two or three times as fast? Course not.
Is SLI faster than a single card? Yes. Is it two times faster? Course not.
Why do people buy a Porche when they could buy a Mustang? Cause they CAN.
Btw, it's not "minute" gains. Lot of the newer games really benifit from SLI. You don't have to have SLI to run them, but that eye candy sure looks sweet.
INTELCRAZY
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Because the users are stubborn and too damn lazy to get used to a new interface and also b/c of ppl like you that blow it's performance issues out of proportion and attack forums with that BS. Bad thing is some ppl are gullible enough to believe you guys instead of learn with good, old-fashioned, first-hand experience. Just my opinion..
Diamondsleeper
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I believe you are right on that aspect to degree but I believe there is an added difference this time around. The compatibility issues. That is what is putting people off. Previous releases did not have this. It was an almost effortless switch. People in general don't like change all at once. Its just gonna take some time for everybody, including myself, to come around. We will let all the hardcore Vista enthusiasts who couldn't wait for it to come out, work out all the bugs. Then we will jump on board.
ThatGuy16
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Ok i honestly do not get were people are getting compatability issues! I run Vista x64 for three months and not a single problem... the only compatibility issue i could think of is if your trying to use something 10 years old .. doh' whos going to continue making drivers for something that old!?
tlarkin
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You are correct and I agree with you. Because if you want a high end car it is going to cost you, just like a high end computer. My issue is that people just think its better when it comes to computers and it really isn't. Bench marks do not really show real world performance in any rate, where a test drive with a car does. I am not saying you shouldn't have bought it, I am just saying I think it is a waste of money. Then again even if I could afford a Porsche I probably wouldn't have one. I would much rather buy more property, but that is a personal preference.
I just think that a lot of marketing and tech jargin is thrown out that really confuses consumers and it really bothers me. The average person and even the average gamer doesn't quite understand them. I am just trying to set a few facts that a lot of companies have skewed with marketing is all.
I am old enough to have been alive and using computers on a regular basis for the release of 3.11, 95 a, 95 b, 95 c, 98, 98se, 2k, ME, XP. Out of all of those releases no company has allowed downgrades back to the earlier version, and with the exception of windows ME, Microsoft has never put out a more buggy OS that is so convoluted and feature stripped that is confuses the consumer into buy the Ultimate edition. We can sit here and argue facts all day long. It is a milestone of vista's stability that companies are allowing users to opt out of Vista installs and get XP.
You're average user, sure may like vista, those on the fence are on the fence, your more advanced user who has used other OSes, will see its flaws and not want to touch it. I have it on a test system, been running it since release. I still have issues with it. I mean it still breaks basic networking, which is completely lame.
I also never blow anything out of proportion, I typically have very straight forward answers with something to at least back it up.
INTELCRAZY
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If I am correct, all/most of those OS's had a button that said "Start" correct? I know of users who won't go to Vista b/c they can't open that. Now, you just tell me how much more stupidity is out there than that. That came from a small biz's office that I have ties to.
Yes, you do have evidence and I do mess with a bit of software... I can't blame it on MS, directly or indirectly a user must see to blame it on the software company who made the software that won't run in Vista. I do think Vista has better program crash control, maybe that was new b/c a lot of crappy programs crash... Aren't you running a RC1 or RC2 on that test system?
And as for buying Ultimate, what the Hell? A small/medium business doesn't even need Business or Home Premium. The only reason I got computers for a biz that had Business Edition, is b/c it made me look better, an accountant won't figure out they don't need it too quickly. I must agree on convolution, I should I have put Home Basic on those mothers and forgotten it
But, the ppl that are putting Vista down are ppl that work with computers for accounting, bookkeeping, etc. and work with XP everyday. I was asked how to 'connect' to the internet in Vista(connection was DSL)
I am saying the ppl that 'muckrake' about Vista are mostly morons and are confined to a cubicle or office all day, every day.I cannot put Vista down as for functionality, I can put it down for the marketing scheme and I will not 'upgrade' to XP.
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What MS plans and what you have been hearing are two different things. The next desktop version of Windows due in 2010 according to some sources will be the last seeing 32bit editions there.
Q: Will Windows 7 be available in both 32-bit and 64-bit versions like Vista?
A: Though I had expected Windows 7 to ship only in 64-bit versions, Microsoft now says it will be the final Windows version to ship in both 32-bit and 64-bit versions.
http://www.winsupersite.com/faq/windows_7.asp
eh what?
They only came out last decade! I was using PC's when they come out. I was also using PC's when DOS came out. I was using PC's before DOS came out. I was using PC's before they were called PC's
And I am not an old guy
Stop making us pre windows people sound old eh what?
They only came out last decade! I was using PC's when they come out. I was also using PC's when DOS came out. I was using PC's before DOS came out. I was using PC's before they were called PC's
And I am not an old guy
aw geee... And all this time I thought the old Epson HX-20 using Basic was ancient history in the computer world.
newgeneral01
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If you have a high end comp then u won't be able to tell the difference, only that Vista will give you much better graphical features. I personally think that vista needs to burn in hell because most of the things i did in xp won't work properly for vista, but the only reason I'm actually using it is to get the benefits of the dx10
You won't see the benefits of DX10 until games requiring DX10 are finally out. Despite the loss of a few programs simply from being a newer version of Windows most everything else has been running the same except for XP drivers on the new hardwares. That's running 2gb of performance memory and a mid range video card.
To follow up on a comment made earlier about EFI(Extensible Firmware Interface) that was where you could run Vista on Mac hardware as a replacement for the bios there. http://guides.macrumors.com/EFI
"No Vista on Mac's horizon" seen at http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1040_22-6048250.html was an update to the APC article that has since been removed.
To follow up on a comment made earlier about EFI(Extensible Firmware Interface) that was where you could run Vista on Mac hardware as a replacement for the bios there. http://guides.macrumors.com/EFI
"No Vista on Mac's horizon" seen at http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1040_22-6048250.html was an update to the APC article that has since been removed.
jutnm
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why is it , that a person like me who started off building computers on a whim and winged it , and when i got vista it worked totally fine for me , i mean at the time i knew noting about computers and ppl who have soo much experience with computers have soo much trouble with booting and operating it ? ...................is it just luck that the VISTA GODS took pitty on me or is it i took it like a man and got through all the security annoyances and incompatibility issues just by looking for the drivers .................... its a new operating system get use to it.
i <3 vista (love it) and look at my sig haha
"IF YOU HATE VISTA EITHER THE PC YOUR TRYING TO RUN IT ON IS A POS OR YOUR A NOOB
noob
1. (Internet slang, pejorative) A newb or newbie; refers to the idea that someone is new to a game, concept, or idea; implying a lack of experience.
* Noobs are annoying, they never know the forum rules."
Ah, the ignorance of teenagers. And before my rant, for the record, no, I was never this bad...
So we bash people who don't like Vista, then bash their computers, and then bash their computer intelligence?
I absolutely hate this cliche, but I had been using computers for several years by the time your parents were conceiving you. I like to think I have an absolute demigod status of superior computer knowledge when compared to John Q. Public, and a very decent knowledge when compared to some others on these Forums. That being said, I've used Vista three times, and would prefer to never again deal with it. It will *never* see installation on a computer in my house. Does that mean my system listed below is god-awful? Does it mean I seemingly know nothing about computers in your eyes?
My current system can run the best version of Vista with ease and not even begin to sweat, but it will never have that 'opportunity'...pity. I've personally hated your sig since I first saw it, but never called you out until now because you were never being an ass before. Do you expect that computer knowledge approaching your obviously omnipotent level is just ingrained into every human? Do you expect someone to sit down in front of an OS for the first time and 'just know everything'?
You were a newbie once, too. Try to humble yourself for a moment and remember. Since when did hating new folks and taking shots at them become the norm? At 14 years old, you're probably a HS Freshman, yes? You know those jerk kids who would pick on Freshman their first week of school just because they were Freshman...you're going to be one of those the next three years, aren't you?
You don't have to be a Newbie to know this Post will most likely be pulled by the PTB's. I sincerely hope you have a chance to read this before then.
--Jay (Defending Computer-illiterates and Forum Newbies from people like Jabes)
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INTELCRAZY
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I love how you guys can point out the bads and not the goods.... Your PC should be god awful, 7100GS--I thought my X1300PRO was bad...
Thanks to SuperFetch, Vista can actually browse the internet right when the desktop is revealed on boot-up. <<Unlike XP
DX10 and DX10.1, enough said on that part
Looks Helluva lot better
UAC is easily disabled so it doesn't annoy you... Can't find the "Yes or No" question in Ctrl Panel--> then you should be LABELED: "NOOB"
Vista's x64 version has less bugs than XP's x64 version, that says a lot...
I like the program crash control, countless times on my old PC(XP), some app(somewhat BF2) would have an error and my computer would freeze and lead to restart, it runs flawlessly on Vista and things that have crashed(GMod) in Vista will just hit the desktop and give me an error msg, then it's over.
The Network and Sharing Center interface in Vista is awesome.. You can view a map of your network..
Here's my version of Jabes' sig : "If you can't follow the learning curve in Vista, you have an IQ of <80."
I pity you guys who want to stay stuck on the ancient garbage...
I'm thrilled you like Vista and enjoy it. I'm not being smug, I'm genuinely glad. My 7100GS works just fine for what I need it to do, which is connect the monitor to, nothing else.
As far as looks, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Who said anything about not knowing how to disable UAC?
I think it's great that Vista deals with crashes in a way that is least-intrusive to the user. I prefer however to not do anything to warrant my system dealing with a crash in the first place, Linux, or Windows-wise.
I can see my network using MacAfee. I'm sure Vista has a 3-d rendering of it though, so your e-penis is a bit longer.
As far as 'being stuck on ancient garbage'... Huh? I don't need to drop hundreds or thousands on new components every year so I can play the newest games or get the best benchmarks. I still have a P4 system in my house and it works perfectly. Just because there are now Quad Cores, it doesn't mean less-advanced units instantly stop working and become a hassle to own. I could not care less about whatever new games were released last week or the new super-cool-Vista-only software that come out. My system works how I want it to work, as I'm sure yours does the same.
Oddly enough, my comment was not attacking Vista, it was an effort to put Jabes in his place. I've read this entire Thread, and honestly, he's being a bit of a jerk, IMO. I find it odd that my saying I tried Vista, didn't like it, and will not use it again sparked a 'Vista-is-uber' response from you.
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