The Hate On Apple Thread

[zombine210]

Most people, even people who claim to be computer knowledgeable don't understand the fundamentals of how a computer system even works. They won't know what binary, bit, byte, 32bit, 64bit, kernel, shell, stacks, cycles, etc are how comprehend how they actually work.

I agree threads like this should just be locked because the people who hate on Macs know the least about them, and are usually not willing to learn the differences.

i don't hate on MACs as i have never had the need to use one. it seems to me that MACs are designed for a specific group of users, which most of us don't fall under, making this specific group seem somewhat elitists. i think if MACs were priced lower it would actually hurt their image.

computer users differ from one person to the next, PCs (as used in this context) allows for customization based on the needs of many different fields from students to businessmen to engineers and artists.

you don't really think taht everybody should know what bits, bytes, kernels and stacks are just to use a computer, do you? why should they? the only thing i care about is: can i do what i have to do efficiently?

 

[bkribbs]

i don't hate on MACs as i have never had the need to use one. it seems to me that MACs are designed for a specific group of users, which most of us don't fall under, making this specific group seem somewhat elitists. i think if MACs were priced lower it would actually hurt their image.

computer users differ from one person to the next, PCs (as used in this context) allows for customization based on the needs of many different fields from students to businessmen to engineers and artists.

you don't really think that everybody should know what bits, bytes, kernels and stacks are just to use a computer, do you? why should they? the only thing i care about is: can i do what i have to do efficiently?

Are you implying that Macs are any less efficent then Windows? I use them equally, and one is not any better for the other in really any category.

 

[zombine210]

Are you implying that Macs are any less efficent then Windows? I use them equally, and one is not any better for the other in really any category.

efficient: Acting or producing effectively with a minimum of waste, expense, or unnecessary effort.

sometimes they can be, depends on the use. if i only need an office suite, a $400 acer 5732z is plenty enough.

 

[bkribbs]

sometimes they can be, depends on the use. if i only need an office suite, a $400 acer 5732z is plenty enough.

Well if you want to go that route, and all you need is an editor suite, couldn't you say that that is not efficient? Buy a 100 dollar netbook.

 

[zombine210]

Well if you want to go that route, and all you need is an editor suite, couldn't you say that that is not efficient? Buy a 100 dollar netbook.

i could, which is the great thing about PCs, but...
screen is too small, can't see $#!7
the ultimate argument was mac vs pc. the macbooks start at 1k, the extra $600 would be an extra expense, a waste. hence, for a college student, needing a laptop for office work, with mediocre crunching power, that would be inefficient.

 

[tlarkin]

i don't hate on MACs as i have never had the need to use one. it seems to me that MACs are designed for a specific group of users, which most of us don't fall under, making this specific group seem somewhat elitists. i think if MACs were priced lower it would actually hurt their image.

MAC means something different in computing, it is simply Mac which is short for Macintosh. Macs are computers designed for every user. From the grandma who can barely surf the web and type emails, to the advance users like engineers that create things with their computers.

computer users differ from one person to the next, PCs (as used in this context) allows for customization based on the needs of many different fields from students to businessmen to engineers and artists.

Macbooks are actually the number 1 sold laptop to college students. Maybe your average college student wants a computer to work with their iPhone, iPod, has iTunes, and want the ability to do anything else with their computer. Apple has an ever growing market share and has been growing steadily since 2006 when they switched to Intel. In fact their market share is growing in business so much Autodesk finally released a native Mac version of Auto CAD. Which was never heard of because Autodesk never thought it would be worth it since there were no Macs in businesses that needed it. I think in the next 5 to 10 years you will see lots of businesses go 50/50 or even full on Mac.

you don't really think taht everybody should know what bits, bytes, kernels and stacks are just to use a computer, do you? why should they? the only thing i care about is: can i do what i have to do efficiently?

You are construing my words a bit incorrectly here. I never said that anyone and everyone needed to know that to use a computer, but if you want to give an in-depth analysis oh why 1 platform is better than the other, you should probably at least understand the fundamentals of how a computer works. For example, I like to play Starcraft II and go to their forums. They had a Mac versus PC thread over there and I ended up posting on it because people were just saying flat-out wrong information. These were coming from people who claimed they knew what they were talking about, but were 100% wrong. That is what I am saying. If you are going to make such opinions, at least know the basics of how a computer works on a fundamental level before you do so.

 

[TrainTrackHack]

just waiting for the open source f%gs to poke there heads up

Open what what?

 

[bkribbs]

MAC means something different in computing, it is simply Mac which is short for Macintosh. Macs are computers designed for every user. From the grandma who can barely surf the web and type emails, to the advance users like engineers that create things with their computers.



Macbooks are actually the number 1 sold laptop to college students. Maybe your average college student wants a computer to work with their iPhone, iPod, has iTunes, and want the ability to do anything else with their computer. Apple has an ever growing market share and has been growing steadily since 2006 when they switched to Intel. In fact their market share is growing in business so much Autodesk finally released a native Mac version of Auto CAD. Which was never heard of because Autodesk never thought it would be worth it since there were no Macs in businesses that needed it. I think in the next 5 to 10 years you will see lots of businesses go 50/50 or even full on Mac.



*snip*

At my public High School, we have not bought a windows computer in at least 6 or 7 years. There are some around, but they are being slowly phased out for macs.

 

[zombine210]

MAC means something different in computing, it is simply Mac which is short for Macintosh. Macs are computers designed for every user. From the grandma who can barely surf the web and type emails, to the advance users like engineers that create things with their computers.

i don't know about anybody else's grandma, but mine doesn't have $1000 to buy a computer for her to barely surf the web.
no, macs are not designed for every user, i'd like to meet a hardcore gamer that plays on a mac. there are not even enough buttons on the mouse.

Macbooks are actually the number 1 sold laptop to college students. Maybe your average college student wants a computer to work with their iPhone, iPod, has iTunes, and want the ability to do anything else with their computer. Apple has an ever growing market share and has been growing steadily since 2006 when they switched to Intel. In fact their market share is growing in business so much Autodesk finally released a native Mac version of Auto CAD. Which was never heard of because Autodesk never thought it would be worth it since there were no Macs in businesses that needed it. I think in the next 5 to 10 years you will see lots of businesses go 50/50 or even full on Mac.

i seriously doubt this. statistical analysis aside, in every class i've been in the past three years, i've seen more Dells, Hps and netbooks than macs. but then again, if i dropped a K on a laptop, i would probably keep it at home under lock and key.

You are construing my words a bit incorrectly here. I never said that anyone and everyone needed to know that to use a computer, but if you want to give an in-depth analysis oh why 1 platform is better than the other, you should probably at least understand the fundamentals of how a computer works. For example, I like to play Starcraft II and go to their forums. They had a Mac versus PC thread over there and I ended up posting on it because people were just saying flat-out wrong information. These were coming from people who claimed they knew what they were talking about, but were 100% wrong. That is what I am saying. If you are going to make such opinions, at least know the basics of how a computer works on a fundamental level before you do so.

it reads like what you're saying is that for someone to make an informed decision on whether to use a mac or PC, they must know what these things are, and then they will see that a mac is superior. that's not going to happen.

 

[tlarkin]

i don't know about anybody else's grandma, but mine doesn't have $1000 to buy a computer for her to barely surf the web.
no, macs are not designed for every user, i'd like to meet a hardcore gamer that plays on a mac. there are not even enough buttons on the mouse.

Macs have games, steam just ported over, Blizzard ports every game, id software ports every game, EA is starting to publish more games for Macs, however, it has yet to reach the apex of the PC market. Also, Mac mice have two buttons, but guess what, you can use any third party mouse as well. I use logitec mice on my Macs most of the time. Your point is moot. Plus the Mac mini costs $500, so the cheapest Mac is not $1000.

i seriously doubt this. statistical analysis aside, in every class i've been in the past three years, i've seen more Dells, Hps and netbooks than macs. but then again, if i dropped a K on a laptop, i would probably keep it at home under lock and key.

So, since every class you have ever been in means that Macs aren't being used in universities?

http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/2007/10/05/18871/

http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/article/Apple-has-91-of-market-for-1000-PCs-says-NPD/1248313624

http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/07/15/idc.prelim.q2.2009/

Come on man, a simple google search can show you that Apple, in almost every demographic is in the top 5 companies with computer sales. From what I read, Dell is projected to lead the sales this quarter, so I am not saying every college uses a Mac, but the percentage has been increasing exponentially each year.

it reads like what you're saying is that for someone to make an informed decision on whether to use a mac or PC, they must know what these things are, and then they will see that a mac is superior. that's not going to happen.

Wrong again, but this time let me spell it out for you. If you want to make a claim that one platform sucks, and the other is superior you need to back your claim. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim. If you do not understand the fundamentals, then how can you even come to such a claim, thus the name of this thread implies that Apple products are inferior.

I could tell you why Windows is the worst OS out there, but it would probably fall upon deaf ears. I also am not making any claims, but rather pointing out if you are going to make such claims at least know what you are talking about.

 

[dave1701]

Wow. When I said hate in the thread title, I didn't really mean hate. IMO, there's way too much hate going on here. If I had the power to remove this thread, I would. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, the reason I really started this thread was to "test the waters" here at computer forum, to see what people thought about them.

 

[zombine210]

Macs have games, steam just ported over, Blizzard ports every game, id software ports every game, EA is starting to publish more games for Macs, however, it has yet to reach the apex of the PC market. Also, Mac mice have two buttons, but guess what, you can use any third party mouse as well. I use logitec mice on my Macs most of the time. Your point is moot. Plus the Mac mini costs $500, so the cheapest Mac is not $1000.

it's just barely catching up. which means that initially, mac was not targeting the gamer community. hence, not designed for every user. and i seriously doubt i'm going to enjoy playing battlefield BC2, Metro 2033, Mass Effect 2 on a $500 mini; the mouse thing was a joke, i know apple had to at least support usb mice.

edit: and nothing is cooler than my NES!

So, since every class you have ever been in means that Macs aren't being used in universities?

http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/2007/10/05/18871/

http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/article/Apple-has-91-of-market-for-1000-PCs-says-NPD/1248313624

http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/07/15/idc.prelim.q2.2009/

Come on man, a simple google search can show you that Apple, in almost every demographic is in the top 5 companies with computer sales. From what I read, Dell is projected to lead the sales this quarter, so I am not saying every college uses a Mac, but the percentage has been increasing exponentially each year.

well of course! i didn't say they weren't up there in sales, or that nobody at my campus uses them. but you said it was #1 for college students. back that one up!

Wrong again, but this time let me spell it out for you. If you want to make a claim that one platform sucks, and the other is superior you need to back your claim. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim. If you do not understand the fundamentals, then how can you even come to such a claim, thus the name of this thread implies that Apple products are inferior.

I could tell you why Windows is the worst OS out there, but it would probably fall upon deaf ears. I also am not making any claims, but rather pointing out if you are going to make such claims at least know what you are talking about.

this thread is not about why apple is inferior. it's simply about what makes it inefficient. and why we hate it. well... they. i couldn't care less. in fact, if i had a couple grand burning a hole in my pocket, and was the creative hippie type, i'd probably use one too.

edit: or if you want to send one my way, i could try it out for a month, no charge.

 

[tlarkin]

it's just barely catching up. which means that initially, mac was not targeting the gamer community. hence, not designed for every user. and i seriously doubt i'm going to enjoy playing battlefield BC2, Metro 2033, Mass Effect 2 on a $500 mini; the mouse thing was a joke, i know apple had to at least support usb mice.

edit: and nothing is cooler than my NES!

I doubt you would like playing those games on any computer that costs $500 or less.



well of course! i didn't say they weren't up there in sales, or that nobody at my campus uses them. but you said it was #1 for college students. back that one up!

this thread is not about why apple is inferior. it's simply about what makes it inefficient. and why we hate it. well... they. i couldn't care less. in fact, if i had a couple grand burning a hole in my pocket, and was the creative hippie type, i'd probably use one too.

edit: or if you want to send one my way, i could try it out for a month, no charge.

I would have to say inefficient and inferior go hand in hand. Also, creative hippie types aren't the user base of Macs. I use a Mac and I am neither a hippie nor do I work in the art industry. In fact I hate jam bands. Your unilateral narrow scope of what a Mac is exact proof that threads like these are ridiculous. You don't even know the first thing about them and are calling them inefficient.

Educate yourself to back up your claims then come back and speak your opinion.

 

[zombine210]

I would have to say inefficient and inferior go hand in hand. Also, creative hippie types aren't the user base of Macs. I use a Mac and I am neither a hippie nor do I work in the art industry. In fact I hate jam bands. Your unilateral narrow scope of what a Mac is exact proof that threads like these are ridiculous. You don't even know the first thing about them and are calling them inefficient.

Educate yourself to back up your claims then come back and speak your opinion.

really? mac could be best machine ever invented and it could run on pixie dust, but if it costs too much or has too many bells and whistles that i would never use that would make it inefficient to me. doesn't mean it's inferior. you telling me to educate myself, and you can't distinguish two words from one another?

i obviously struck a nerve with you. i'm sorry. yes, this thread is dumb and maybe stupid. but i think it's necessary. every community needs a little humor to burn off stress, which is why i think this thread was created. today it's apple, tomorrow it will be oranges. mac could be the anti-christ for all we know.

 

[tlarkin]

really? mac could be best machine ever invented and it could run on pixie dust, but if it costs too much or has too many bells and whistles that i would never use that would make it inefficient to me. doesn't mean it's inferior. you telling me to educate myself, and you can't distinguish two words from one another?

i obviously struck a nerve with you. i'm sorry. yes, this thread is dumb and maybe stupid. but i think it's necessary. every community needs a little humor to burn off stress, which is why i think this thread was created. today it's apple, tomorrow it will be oranges. mac could be the anti-christ for all we know.

I am not mad, nor did you strike a nerve. Inefficient implies inferior, look up the word efficient. What you probably mean to say is that it is not practical for you.

 

[lucasbytegenius]

I can just see the lightsabers flashing back and forth with the last several posts

 

[Thanatos]

yeah.

 

[iGeekOFComedy]

Whoever made this thread was just a PC Fanboy to begin with, look does it really matter which computer we use, I mean we all prefer different types, I just prefer computers that when you press the button doesn't show a white _ by a black screen straight away.

 

[dave1701]

I am not mad, nor did you strike a nerve. Inefficient implies inferior, look up the word efficient. What you probably mean to say is that it is not practical for you.

Inefficient- Not achieving maximum productivity; wasting or failing to make the best use of time or resources.

Inefficient does not mean inferior, it means that he works/plays/whatever less efficiently on a mac than on a PC. It's ineifficient to me too. It might be inefficiant becasue I'm a bonehead, it doesn't mater, it's tell inefficient, meaning that I can achive maximum productivity on a PC. That means that a mac would be inefficient for me.

Wow. When I said hate in the thread title, I didn't really mean hate. IMO, there's way too much hate going on here. If I had the power to remove this thread, I would. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, the reason I really started this thread was to "test the waters" here at computer forum, to see what people thought about them.

Sorry yall about making this thread. I wanted to see what people thought about the comparison, not start a civil war among CF. I tend to be devil's advocate, and I like to debate, I could be a good polititian.

I think the reason for this forum, along with solving computer problems, is discussing/debating things. I knew my rant would be contriversial becuase I was in an apple hating mood that day. I hoped in would invoke a good discussion, one that I could learn from myself. I don't think I need to be called stupid closedminded, call me confused or misinformed.

 

[tremmor]

Everybody is beating a dead horse with this.
On the lighter side nothing against Apple. If everybody owned one i would.
Im with the majority. Other reason for not owning one its not the standard in industry. And if i was editing photo's and a professional in this area i would likely own one. I do but basic. Not extensive.
cheers........