XP or Vista

[Jabes]

just to say that I'm not scared of replying I'll reply

"IF YOU HATE VISTA EITHER THE PC YOUR TRYING TO RUN IT ON IS A POS OR YOUR A NOOB
noob
1. (Internet slang, pejorative) A newb or newbie; refers to the idea that someone is new to a game, concept, or idea; implying a lack of experience.
* Noobs are annoying, they never know the forum rules."

Ah, the ignorance of teenagers. And before my rant, for the record, no, I was never this bad...

everybody thinks that they aren't as bad as everybody else and my sig is just for kicks mainly but its kinda true thats y ur mad right now

So we bash people who don't like Vista, then bash their computers, and then bash their computer intelligence?

well I'll admit I'll never run it on my laptop because its a pos amd athlon 3000 512mb of ram

I absolutely hate this cliche, but I had been using computers for several years by the time your parents were conceiving you.

well my parents are computer illiterate for most of the part so they didn't get me into comps and I've been usin them since I was 9 or ten probably

I like to think I have an absolute demigod status of superior computer knowledge when compared to John Q. Public, and a very decent knowledge when compared to some others on these Forums.

for the record I'm NOT saying I kno everything about comps but I kno a good bit

That being said, I've used Vista three times, and would prefer to never again deal with it. It will *never* see installation on a computer in my house. Does that mean my system listed below is god-awful? Does it mean I seemingly know nothing about computers in your eyes?

My current system can run the best version of Vista with ease and not even begin to sweat, but it will never have that 'opportunity'...pity. I've personally hated your sig since I first saw it, but never called you out until now because you were never being an ass before. Do you expect that computer knowledge approaching your obviously omnipotent level is just ingrained into every human? Do you expect someone to sit down in front of an OS for the first time and 'just know everything'?

y won't vista go on ur comp? just because u used it for 3 days?

You were a newbie once, too. Try to humble yourself for a moment and remember. Since when did hating new folks and taking shots at them become the norm? At 14 years old, you're probably a HS Freshman, yes? You know those jerk kids who would pick on Freshman their first week of school just because they were Freshman...you're going to be one of those the next three years, aren't you?

nope I'm a sophomore and I don't kno because I'm homeschooled

You don't have to be a Newbie to know this Post will most likely be pulled by the PTB's. I sincerely hope you have a chance to read this before then.

like I said earlier I DON'T kno everything about computers but u have to be real dumb not to kno how to use vista

--Jay (Defending Computer-illiterates and Forum Newbies from people like Jabes)

and u said I'm being a jerk well well well

 

[ThatGuy16]

I've said everything I'm going to, as well as what needed to be said. I'm done with this Thread.

You started it, you dug that post up. Why debate?

From my experieance, Vista is alot more stable. If you get an error on XP, it will BSOD no questions asked. Vista doesn't commit a crash dump, it gives you the option to close the program. Something along those lines anyway.

 

[Jabes]

You started it, you dug that post up. Why debate?

From my experieance, Vista is alot more stable. If you get an error on XP, it will BSOD no questions asked. Vista doesn't commit a crash dump, it gives you the option to close the program. Something along those lines anyway.

yea I luv my sig lol did I ever say I made that to make friends lol

 

[PC eye]

Well it started off as a poll for XP and Vista with people offering their own pros and cons about the two versions of Windows but somewhere along the line... "you have now entered the Twilight Zone! ...".

 

[funkysnair]

yeh its funny how it all starts to get a bit hot tempered after a while

personaly i couldnt give a toss what people think is the best os, ive used xp for years now i use vista.

havnt seen a blue screen yet or a screen freeze so im happy

 

[shadowbt]

XP was unstable at its beginnings, it was then stuffed with patches and updates, why would it change for Vista? For now XP owns Vista, but eventually Vista will be full of patches and will be better.

 

[tlarkin]

OK, can we at least try to use full sentences with correct grammar? I really hate text message talk a lot. I think it makes all you younger kids who use it look uneducated. I mean most of you on this forum are privileged, and therefore should at least utilize your education.

For one, my XP machine never crashes. I don't know how you all say that the new crash reporter feature in vista is so awesome. I play HL2, BF2, Doom 3, and some older games on my machine fine with XP. I get around 40 fps on moderate settings. My gaming rig is a bit old, and I am going to upgrade it after the new year. I am waiting for the newest line of video cards to come out. I build a high end PC every 3 years or so, sometimes 4 years. For what I want it to do, it performs fine. I also have 4 Mac desktops and a Macbook pro that would eat most PCs for lunch.

A lot of you just sit there and quote benchmarks all the time. You spend lots of money on SLI and put your hard drives in RAID 0. However, a lot of you don't really know or grasp the concept of what the technologies are used for, and on top of that SLI is a marketing scheme for the most part. This all goes back to quoting benchmarks. Benchmarks are a good way to stress test a system but do not reflect on its real world performance. 1500 point difference in 3D mark really does not mean your system is way better when it is over clocked, SLI, or in RAID 0. It just means that it performed better with simple stress tests. The video card tests do reflect on how good a video card is for gaming. However, if you are a casual gamer then that does not really apply to you, and if you don't game it is totally not applicable at all. Most of the people on this forum that are gamers go solely off benchmarks, and the hardware companies cater to that niche market. They make over clock kits, SLI, and even make cases and hardware specified towards gamers. Over clocked RAM has cause some issues in my experiences. It has caused bottle necks, and it is less stable because it is over clocked. You do not want your system paging instruction sets from unstable RAM. However, the companies market towards those gamer crowds and everyone buys into it.

Vista is a piece of crap operating system. For all the years that went into it and the costs of upgrades it really sucks. It feels clunky, and unintuitive. I have to drill down into countless control panels to find something I want to enabled or disable in the Operating system. We were promised no more registry, and we still have it, EFI support, but didn't get it. Support for newer and better file systems, and we didn't get it. All those promised features that would make Vista next gen are getting pushed over into Vienna.

How can I qualify and quantify my knowledge? Experience, is the answer. I can spit out all the certifications I have, but ultimately anyone can get certified, it just takes studying and some money for the tests. However, I have been in the field long enough and worked with enough variety of hardware, software, OSes, networking technology, etc that I can definitely back up everything I say with experience first hand. I am not saying I know everything, far from it. In fact right now I am learning a lot about web services, directory services, and other server side network technologies. I have to google every day at work to figure some things out.

So, lets try to have an actual conversation, or debate even on why you think it is better. Stop saying people are noobs, stop being arrogant because no one cares how cool you are on the internet. Everyone had to start out somewhere, and everyone had to learn at some point. Lets also at least try to act educated. A lot of you will dump into the IT field probably. If you use text message words in your emails to your boss, you will most likely be told to stop and if you continue you could probably get fired for looking dumb.

 

[PC eye]

I have to differ on the part about XP not crashing. But yoiu'll find that the crash control method used in Vista does work better overall from running the exact same games on the identical hardwares and seeing XP lock while Vista will allow the exit to either shutdown, return to the effected program, or return to the desktop.

Vista sadly does lack in things like adding and removing Windows components like WMP, IE, and others while previous versions allowed that option. The gadgets and side bar were minor annoyances disabled to see still see a Classic Windows theme at least.

The Super Prefetch feature comes enabled in Vista while in XP with SP2 you had to manually perform a registry edit to enable the program standby feature. One plus for Vista there.

As far as SLI that's a debate for another thread there. I keep hearing the argument that SLI is so much better from some when pointing the actual waste of financial resources when it doesn't see any performance gains. I'll have to pm you on that one.

 

[epidemik]

You guys are all noob.
My windows 95 works like a charm.




EDIT JK, im on xp, just cause thats all i can run.

 

[patrickv]

i haven't seen any BSOD on vista yet, but i got some freezing problem. (laptop)
I have no idea why but it seems that everytime i play around with the sidebar it either stops responding or goes black, so i have to exit it, aside from that no problems at all.
Vista for now i can say is BASIC, until those SP's comes out, it will be better

 

[ThatGuy16]

A lot of you just sit there and quote benchmarks all the time. You spend lots of money on SLI and put your hard drives in RAID 0. However, a lot of you don't really know or grasp the concept of what the technologies are used for, and on top of that SLI is a marketing scheme for the most part. This all goes back to quoting benchmarks. Benchmarks are a good way to stress test a system but do not reflect on its real world performance. 1500 point difference in 3D mark really does not mean your system is way better when it is over clocked, SLI, or in RAID 0. It just means that it performed better with simple stress tests. The video card tests do reflect on how good a video card is for gaming. However, if you are a casual gamer then that does not really apply to you, and if you don't game it is totally not applicable at all. Most of the people on this forum that are gamers go solely off benchmarks, and the hardware companies cater to that niche market. They make over clock kits, SLI, and even make cases and hardware specified towards gamers. Over clocked RAM has cause some issues in my experiences. It has caused bottle necks, and it is less stable because it is over clocked. You do not want your system paging instruction sets from unstable RAM. However, the companies market towards those gamer crowds and everyone buys into it.

What does this have to do with this topic?

Vista is a piece of crap operating system. For all the years that went into it and the costs of upgrades it really sucks. It feels clunky, and unintuitive. I have to drill down into countless control panels to find something I want to enabled or disable in the Operating system. We were promised no more registry, and we still have it, EFI support, but didn't get it. Support for newer and better file systems, and we didn't get it. All those promised features that would make Vista next gen are getting pushed over into Vienna.

Ok, that makes vista suck how? you can argue all day trying to make your "opinions" statements. When your saying vista is crap, but have nothing to support it? the only things i have seen is the computers you have tried to run it on are the bare minimum requirements. Yes vista is more demanding and if you dont have a rig to support it, then its simple dont install it. I believe vista is a much more stable OS over XP and it also utilizes its resources better. I think what alot of people mistake vista as a "memory hog" as PC eye said, part of this can be caused by superfectch which is a good thing. Also, the areo theme can take up more memory, but as soon as you launch a memory intensive app such as a game, it automaticly switchs to vista basic. And when you close the app, it will go back to areo.

One thing i just don't understand, if you hate vista SO bad, then why have myself and many others found vista to be better? either you are trying to run it on a system that just can't handle it or its something else, i don't know.

Also the sad thing is, jabes sig does apply to some people i know.

 

[INTELCRAZY]

OK, can we at least try to use full sentences with correct grammar? I really hate text message talk a lot. I think it makes all you younger kids who use it look uneducated. I mean most of you on this forum are privileged, and therefore should at least utilize your education.

For one, my XP machine never crashes.

I also have 4 Mac desktops and a Macbook pro that would eat most PCs for lunch.

However, a lot of you don't really know or grasp the concept of what the technologies are used for, and on top of that SLI is a marketing scheme for the most part. This all goes back to quoting benchmarks. Benchmarks are a good way to stress test a system but do not reflect on its real world performance. 1500 point difference in 3D mark really does not mean your system is way better when it is over clocked, SLI, or in RAID 0. It just means that it performed better with simple stress tests. The video card tests do reflect on how good a video card is for gaming.

However, if you are a casual gamer then that does not really apply to you, and if you don't game it is totally not applicable at all.

Most of the people on this forum that are gamers go solely off benchmarks, and the hardware companies cater to that niche market. They make over clock kits, SLI, and even make cases and hardware specified towards gamers.

Over clocked RAM has cause some issues in my experiences. It has caused bottle necks, and it is less stable because it is over clocked.

Vista is a piece of crap operating system. For all the years that went into it and the costs of upgrades it really sucks. It feels clunky, and unintuitive. I have to drill down into countless control panels to find something I want to enabled or disable in the Operating system.

We were promised no more registry, and we still have it, EFI support, but didn't get it. Support for newer and better file systems, and we didn't get it. All those promised features that would make Vista next gen are getting pushed over into Vienna.

How can I qualify and quantify my knowledge? Experience, is the answer. I can spit out all the certifications I have, but ultimately anyone can get certified, it just takes studying and some money for the tests. However, I have been in the field long enough and worked with enough variety of hardware, software, OSes, networking technology, etc that I can definitely back up everything I say with experience first hand. I am not saying I know everything, far from it. In fact right now I am learning a lot about web services, directory services, and other server side network technologies. I have to google every day at work to figure some things out.

So, lets try to have an actual conversation, or debate even on why you think it is better.

Stop saying people are noobs, stop being arrogant because no one cares how cool you are on the internet. Everyone had to start out somewhere, and everyone had to learn at some point. Lets also at least try to act educated.

A lot of you will dump into the IT field probably. If you use text message words in your emails to your boss, you will most likely be told to stop and if you continue you could probably get fired for looking dumb.

I use TXT talk when I text, not on the forum.... Noticed this?

Crashing is one thing, responsiveness and speed is another...

Most PC's have more hardware performance ability than Macs. (Why?) Gaming...

SLI is proven not be as efficient as Crossfire, but a marketing scheme? Somewhat yes, but when I see a percentage of increase, I am pretty likely to utilize it I like to test my hardware, going from Stock to OC'ed shows an increase, which one do you think I would rather have bragging rights to?

You didn't say anything new there, I would call my self a gamer and an enthusiast... Most ppl would, just because they build...

Of course, they do... They don't gear cathodes and glass side panels toward your boring network personnel... You don't say a whole lot about Mac, eh? White/black and chrome? They are actually pulling for a status symbol, you know it, too..

Where did OC'ed RAM come from? Simple solution: Micron D9... Seriously, where did you dig this up from? Did a relationship go sour with you tonight? You are just digging up random stuff...

Show me an example of a useless panel.. To disable UAC, it takes 7 clicks... Wait, no, show me more than one example, so that it becomes redundant..

I think you're the only person in the world who has cared so much that Microsoft puts EFI in an OS or removes the registry. Jeez...Am I talking to Bill 'Flipping' Gates? Who gives a dog's excrement?

I didn't question your knowledge, just your opinion. No, scratch that, WE questioned your opinion...

How are we not having an actual conversation? You are one of the guys that are the one that were beating up about the sig...

The word "Noob" is in a few dictionaries... Whatever works, I could put in my sig "If you don't like Vista you're a smacktard" or in your language, Mr. Educated individual, "If you don't like Vista, you're an egocentric ninny". This is blasphemy: you curse the god OS--Vista.

You're gonna end up working for one of these noobs when you're about 50yo, and they are gonna lay you off b/c you're "knowledge has expired"... Doesn't feel good to have people put you down in the future, does it?

Thanks, this was better than a timewaster @ ebaumsworld....

 

[Motoxrdude]

Ok, that makes vista suck how? you can argue all day trying to make your "opinions" statements. When your saying vista is crap, but have nothing to support it? the only things i have seen is the computers you have tried to run it on are the bare minimum requirements. Yes vista is more demanding and if you dont have a rig to support it, then its simple dont install it. I believe vista is a much more stable OS over XP and it also utilizes its resources better. I think what alot of people mistake vista as a "memory hog" as PC eye said, part of this can be caused by superfectch which is a good thing. Also, the areo theme can take up more memory, but as soon as you launch a memory intensive app such as a game, it automaticly switchs to vista basic. And when you close the app, it will go back to areo.

One thing i just don't understand, if you hate vista SO bad, then why have myself and many others found vista to be better? either you are trying to run it on a system that just can't handle it or its something else, i don't know.

Wow, i find it amusing how some people still can't read, or understand concepts. He said that vista was a let down because it still uses ntfs, a horrible file system by any standards, still uses registries, a horrible, original, concept of microsoft that has plagued every OS that has it implemented. That's why he says it sucks .

Now why i don't like vista, along with every microsoft operating system. After using linux based distros for over three years, i find a lot of things implemented in vista originated from linux. That whole aero effect came from linux in a program called compiz, and later beryl, then compiz fusion which combines the two. Not only did microsoft steal the concept of a 3d desktop environment from linux, it turned it into garbage. It uses an insane amount of resources and has basic plugins, at best. Fading windows, zoom effects, tiling, all very basic yet taxes the computer like no other. Linux, good ole' linux however takes a 3d desktop environment and it flourishes. Not only is it faster when running a 3d desktop environment in linux, but all around more efficient. Since linux is resource friendly, it distributes the resources with the video card to run the desktop environment, thus an all-around better multi-tasking. The reason vista can't do this is because when running a 3d environment, aka aero, it takes more resources then what can be distributed to the video card, thus a slower interface.
Linux also uses a superior file system then NTFS. Linux uses EXT3 and JFS2 file systems which are better in almost every way. There are no programs to defragment them because they don't fragment files! As soon as a file is written, it is checked for corruption and fragmented.

I could go on, but i am getting bored of writing this, lol.

 

[ThatGuy16]

ok, if it still uses all of that, then why isn't XP crap?

please... please, tell me how much sense this makes?

I mean, you have no choice. Its not like you make the OS, what you see is what you get, like it or don't like it. If you want to play games and or use 90% of the apps on the market. You have to use windows.

If i couldn't read, you wouldn't have anything to write about now would you?

 

[INTELCRAZY]

Wow, i find it amusing how some people still can't read, or understand concepts. He said that vista was a let down because it still uses ntfs, a horrible file system by any standards, still uses registries, a horrible, original, concept of microsoft that has plagued every OS that has it implemented. That's why he says it sucks .

Now why i don't like vista, along with every microsoft operating system. After using linux based distros for over three years, i find a lot of things implemented in vista originated from linux. That whole aero effect came from linux in a program called compiz, and later beryl, then compiz fusion which combines the two. Not only did microsoft steal the concept of a 3d desktop environment from linux, it turned it into garbage. It uses an insane amount of resources and has basic plugins, at best. Fading windows, zoom effects, tiling, all very basic yet taxes the computer like no other. Linux, good ole' linux however takes a 3d desktop environment and it flourishes. Not only is it faster when running a 3d desktop environment in linux, but all around more efficient. Since linux is resource friendly, it distributes the resources with the video card to run the desktop environment, thus an all-around better multi-tasking. The reason vista can't do this is because when running a 3d environment, aka aero, it takes more resources then what can be distributed to the video card, thus a slower interface.
Linux also uses a superior file system then NTFS. Linux uses EXT3 and JFS2 file systems which are better in almost every way. There are no programs to defragment them because they don't fragment files! As soon as a file is written, it is checked for corruption and fragmented.

I could go on, but i am getting bored of writing this, lol.

I am amazed when ppl can't read titles of an XP or Vista thread and always have to bring Linux in here.... Seriously, WTF!?

No, no, as tlarkin might say, "I am horrified of the very basis of your knowledge in letter recognition skills".

 

[Motoxrdude]

I am amazed when ppl can't read titles of an XP or Vista thread and always have to bring Linux in here.... Seriously, WTF!?

No, no, as tlarkin might say, "I am horrified of the very basis of your knowledge in letter recognition skills".

Why, you are on a smartarse role tonight aren't you
As far as the title i didnt read it, lol. I just saw someone say something about linux and vista and how vista sucked and i just went on with that topic, lol.

EDIT: Well, now that i think about it, that post wasnt too off topic. Just take everything i said on how vista was a let down and there yeah go

 

[INTELCRAZY]

Why, you are on a smartarse role tonight aren't you
As far as the title i didnt read it, lol. I just saw someone say something about linux and vista and how vista sucked and i just went on with that topic, lol.

EDIT: Well, now that i think about it, that post wasnt too off topic. Just take everything i said on how vista was a let down and there yeah go

EXT3 was so related to Vista... You went off talking about how Linux made up for Windows' problems, don't cover it up... Jeez, that's about as bad as lying on something..

 

[tlarkin]

What does this have to do with this topic?



Ok, that makes vista suck how? you can argue all day trying to make your "opinions" statements. When your saying vista is crap, but have nothing to support it? the only things i have seen is the computers you have tried to run it on are the bare minimum requirements. Yes vista is more demanding and if you dont have a rig to support it, then its simple dont install it. I believe vista is a much more stable OS over XP and it also utilizes its resources better. I think what alot of people mistake vista as a "memory hog" as PC eye said, part of this can be caused by superfectch which is a good thing. Also, the areo theme can take up more memory, but as soon as you launch a memory intensive app such as a game, it automaticly switchs to vista basic. And when you close the app, it will go back to areo.

One thing i just don't understand, if you hate vista SO bad, then why have myself and many others found vista to be better? either you are trying to run it on a system that just can't handle it or its something else, i don't know.

Also the sad thing is, jabes sig does apply to some people i know.

When you look at Vista as a whole OS you have to compare it to other, modern, already out and in use OSes. The features and technologies they offer and what Microsoft has to offer for $300.00. Compare it side by side with Linux and OS X, and Unix and you will see how they are progressing into everything I have previously described and Microsoft is just hanging in the back. I have been running vista for over a year and a half on systems that well beat its minimum requirements. Vista is XP, with a flashy UI. Read all my previous posts on this thread and you will see I have clearly pointed out this very thing. I may not come out and exactly say it verbatim, but by using basic deductive logic you can see what I am saying.

I brought up the RAID and SLI to a previous poster on this thread. You all just babble on benchmark scores and don't realize that is not the end all be all. I am making a point that no one makes a deductive logical statement and whenever I try to explain my opinion I get told I am wrong. Even when I explain the pros and cons of running a Mac hijackers come in and steal the thread. I am using these as examples to prove the advice given on these exact here forums. Which I think is completely relevant to the topic of this thread.

use TXT talk when I text, not on the forum.... Noticed this?

Yet, you constantly spell the word people, as ppl. I think you need to turn on spell check on your browser.

Crashing is one thing, responsiveness and speed is another...

Most PC's have more hardware performance ability than Macs. (Why?) Gaming...

Convoluted, twisted, and totally not true. Gamers are a small niche market. You know why PCs have more third party choices? There is more competition and more companies making PCs, where as Apple is Apple. They also have a bigger market share, so duh, companies will make more third party if there is more of a market. This also coming from someone who once told me Mac is crap, then discovered how cool Mac is and lobbied for a mac only slot on the forums...

SLI is proven not be as efficient as Crossfire, but a marketing scheme? Somewhat yes, but when I see a percentage of increase, I am pretty likely to utilize it I like to test my hardware, going from Stock to OC'ed shows an increase, which one do you think I would rather have bragging rights to?

So is RAID 0 proved to be 40% faster, when modifying and moving giant chunks of data, but not in gaming or anything else. SLI may be 40% faster at a few things, but overall performance I say it is most likely under 10%.

You didn't say anything new there, I would call my self a gamer and an enthusiast... Most ppl would, just because they build...

Of course, they do... They don't gear cathodes and glass side panels toward your boring network personnel... You don't say a whole lot about Mac, eh? White/black and chrome? They are actually pulling for a status symbol, you know it, too..

I never said it wasn't a status symbol, I am saying it is the prestige and bragging rights of over clocking, SLI, and RAID.

Where did OC'ed RAM come from? Simple solution: Micron D9... Seriously, where did you dig this up from? Did a relationship go sour with you tonight? You are just digging up random stuff...

It is quite relevant to my argument, stating that no one here is actually look at anything past spec. If you were a consultant for my company and your answer was to just upgrade thousands and thousands of machines because they don't quite run the newest OS right from Microsoft, I would find myself a new consultant.

Show me an example of a useless panel.. To disable UAC, it takes 7 clicks... Wait, no, show me more than one example, so that it becomes redundant..

I think you're the only person in the world who has cared so much that Microsoft puts EFI in an OS or removes the registry. Jeez...Am I talking to Bill 'Flipping' Gates? Who gives a dog's excrement?

I never said it was useless, I clearly said it was non intuitive. It has a clunky feel to it. Where before in XP things were more centralized. They dumbed down the options and you go through loops a lot of the times trying to find the menu. EFI is awesome, go read up on it, it will revolutionize all hardware, and do a lot for gaming. The registry has been a long promise of MS to get rid of it. It is clunky, and it is a crappy method of setting system wide preferences. If they got rid of it, when to user level preferences and self contained applications, the OS would run a whole lot smoother.

I didn't question your knowledge, just your opinion. No, scratch that, WE questioned your opinion...

How are we not having an actual conversation? You are one of the guys that are the one that were beating up about the sig...

The word "Noob" is in a few dictionaries... Whatever works, I could put in my sig "If you don't like Vista you're a smacktard" or in your language, Mr. Educated individual, "If you don't like Vista, you're an egocentric ninny". This is blasphemy: you curse the god OS--Vista.

You're gonna end up working for one of these noobs when you're about 50yo, and they are gonna lay you off b/c you're "knowledge has expired"... Doesn't feel good to have people put you down in the future, does it?

Oh, I see, you are right. I don't keep up with technology at all. I don't renew my certifications every year, or when they expire (depending on the cert), and I don't try out new things nope, I sure don't. Yup, and some noob is going to one day come in and automatically get over my head and become my boss with no work experience because they will be more cutting edge, and will know that RAID 0 in a desktop machine is a great idea. They will all go right through the door and right on up to being my boss. The reason I haven't begun to even think about migrating anything to vista at work is because it would be seriously irresponsible of me to do so unless everything is proven to work. Consumer products do not drive computer business, enterprise products do. Consumers don't go out and spend millions of dollars on machines and then upgrade them to vista. Vista takes a band aid approach, it is the exact same as XP but with a different UI. Where are all the features and benefits of upgrading? Where are they? I don't see any new bundled applications or anything! I just see windows XP, repackaged and resold with some changes here and there but nothing deal breaking. Look at each new release of any other OS and you will see the added features and benefits that each release has.

I have always given my opinion to all of you for free. Normally, when I consult it would be for at the very least minimum $50/hour. As of right now I wouldn't charge anything less than $100/hour because if it is any less it is just not worth my time. I am trying to share my knowledge with this forum, not argue with kids who still live with their parents.

 

[Motoxrdude]

EXT3 was so related to Vista... You went off talking about how Linux made up for Windows' problems, don't cover it up... Jeez, that's about as bad as lying on something..

I justified vista's shortcomings using linux? Ummm, is there something i'm not understanding here or do you not know wtf you are talking about?

 

[tlarkin]

...I mean, you have no choice. Its not like you make the OS, what you see is what you get, like it or don't like it. If you want to play games and or use 90% of the apps on the market. You have to use windows.

If i couldn't read, you wouldn't have anything to write about now would you?

That is a great point, which relates to what I am saying. Windows is a huge let down because of what developers have to do, and how windows functions as an operating system. When you allow every developer and their dog access to the kernel you are asking for security flaws, and people write sloppy code. I mean ever try to write a script? Did you always use full command paths? Sometimes I don't because I can't remember where everything lives and I am too lazy to use the whereis command for every command I want to look up.

The market is changing though, and it will change over the next few years. I think you will see Macs gain market share and Microsoft will lose desktops to Linux as well. However, Microsoft will still have a very strong market in the server side technology. Active Directory is not a bad thing, it is just hard to get to properly work with third party. Once all other clients become more compatible with Windows Server products I think you will see a huge market shift. I already know some places around town where I live that have in the last two years switched over to a 50:50 Mac/PC environment.