The community's view on torrents

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I'm just curious on most peoples views regarding torrents. The system no doubt is amazing, but I'm mainly referring to the downloading of copyrighted material such as, programs, songs, movies, games etc. Also, if any moderator/person with knowledge of this specific website whether even talking about torrents breaches their terms of use policy.

Just a quickie post and thanks for any feedback
 
It's illegal and is against forum rules to help out with any torrenting issues. And it's also a magnet for viruses/malware which can totally screw up your system to the point you need to format and reinstall windows.
 
I think torrents are an amazing thing. They allow people to share and help each other, they allow for a much easier, "1 stop" way of downloading things. From a software and internet point of view, p2p is a great thing. Where it isn't so great though is when it comes to downloading illegal materials.

When used to download f2p games, free operating systems, mods, free music and all sorts else, I think they are excellent, I would sooner use a torrent than a download mirror. But, as john says, they can lead to viruses, spyware, malware and other infections, but take Project Reality mod as an example - it is used by thousands, it has tens, if not hundreds of thousands of downloads and is made by a reputable and respected studio and they have an option to download their software via torrent (it is a free BF2 mod). If you go to one of your torrent websites though where there is some shady torrent for the same piece of software, you are playing with fire and taking unnecessary risks
 
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Just to clarify with any of you moderators, my topic isn't breaking any forum rules, correct?

* Dont want to get into hot water over this *
Thanks
 
It's allowed to be talked about, just no help is allowed to be given on how to torrent or what websites to use.

Yes, there are legal things to torrent but most users don't do that. After all, a torrent that could be perfectly legal could have malware attached to it. Why take the chance?
 
Besides a Torrent can also lead to civil lawsuit downloading. that's federal court and be deep in your pocket.
 
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torrent sites have the potential to be a great positive thing but as with most things at the moment it is abused and illegally used by some which give it the bad reputation it has.

The word "torrent" automatically is associated with illegal file sharing, cracks, copies etc, which isn`t really true it is meant for easy and accessible file sharing, there are alot of genuine torrent users that take alot of time to upload some great software bundles for people to download, such as a bundle with all windows service packs in one file, a collection of drivers or free software.

no one should be put off using torrent sites by a bad reputation its down to you to use them for the right reasons.
 
It's allowed to be talked about, just no help is allowed to be given on how to torrent or what websites to use.

Yes, there are legal things to torrent but most users don't do that. After all, a torrent that could be perfectly legal could have malware attached to it. Why take the chance?

My point was, as with the rest of the net - use your head. If you are stupid enough to click a clearly false link, if you are stupid enough to click an advert saying "get a free iphone now!!", you deserve the virus that comes with it. If you go onto one of the better known torrent sites, it is obvious a fair whack of the content on there will contain a virus in some form or another not just because it is user uploaded and illegal, but because you know that as soon as a film is released for instance, there will be a torrent of it and thousands will try to download it, so it is easy pickings.

You can however say with a fair amount of certainty that a well established company of website offering downloads of freeware via torrent aren't going to be wanting to ruin their reputation by distributing virus'. I'm not saying it isn't possible, but anything that you download could contain a virus, you just have to have some common sense about what you download and where from, and it is the same thing with torrents. All a torrent is is another way of downloading things to take advantage of everyone's disused bandwidth. If you are concerned about torrents, you should be concerned about every download link on the net, but a quick google search will clear up whether what you are looking to torrent is fake or a virus
 
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My view on torrents varies. It depends on how many seeders there are. It does make getting things like Linux ISO's and game mods (Such as the HL2 Cinematic mods) much faster than a direct download.
 
I prefer torrents when downloading anything, when it's a common download most of the time I get amazing speeds.
I like the idea behind torrents, but so many people have abused the protocol that they gave it a bad name.
 
Torrents are a good thing and have the potential to be put to great use leagally, the problem is that they are generally associated with illeagal downloads even though, surprisingly, a recent survey showed that out of all the ways to download copyrighted material sites like rapidshare and megaupload are used more than torrents, this is open to interuptation as they probably didnt test every single person who downloads illegal stuff.

Anyway the reason torrents and such have given rise to such illegal downloads is the fact the big companies and studios dont offer any real alternative.
The states seems to be getting better sites like hulu seem to offer amazing amounts of choice for free or for a low price, I believe amazon has a video on demand service and there are others, but still way behind in terms of how much content is being distrubuted in comparision to the other illegal options and sometimes, if not always, have some form of DRM which means unlike a DVD which I BUY that I can play in any dvd player at any location and am free to with what I please with (apart from breaking copyright laws :D )
I am restriced and the media I purchased isnt really mine.
This is however just the states, I would gladly take those compromises so I can watch my favourtite TV shows and such, in the UK (Where I live) to watch my favourtie tv shows without having to pay a tv company, sign a contract, be told when I have to watch it (obviously different if you have a recorder of some sort) and be annoyed by adverts. (even tho I pay a suscription fee for the channel.) I have a very limited choice of video on demand, basically theres itunes and thats it, other things like BT vision again require a suscription fee, contract etc, I hate Itunes and I hate apple and do not want to give money to them so much that I will go without my tv and such just so they dont make a profit, I bought something from the store once, and I will not do it again, I had to try in the hope that my pre conceptions of the company wearn't just incorrect, I was wrong, as is always the case when using apple.
Basically what it all boils down to is that people want to watch what they want watch when they want to watch, where they want, how they want and they want to be able to buy it for a decent price per episode/season/film, without the need to be tied into a contract or pay for additional unnecessary hardware, all this can be accomplished and should have been present since the internet became a viable means of storing, sharing and transfering media quickly.
Does anyone else think that piracy would be as big of an issue if the media / studios were the first to offer downloads of films/tv shows (legally of course) instead of waiting for the illeagal way to become popular?
of course not, because if they were there first it would have become the de facto way for people to access tv/films on demand and by now it would be the process that everyone knows how to do, teccy or not, and by now it would have been refined so that anyone who isn't techical at all could do it with ease and only the more tech-savy people would bother to do it the other way illegal as word of mouth would have spread about programs from movie studios where you can get it the day it comes out for cheap, legal and DRM free, instead of what is more common now that word of mouth just promotes piracy as that the only way most people know how to do it, even people who are completely ignorant to the tech world, it'd be the other way round if the studios/media companies got there first, because they would have the market of digital distrubution, of what you want, in a way you want it, cornered.
I would imagine a lot of pirates dont really want to have to break the law to watch what they want but and would be happy to pay a reasonable amount to watch and not have to pay £40.00 when the box set comes out, and have to wait in the first place, but with the lack of options available many seem to resort to this.

Obviously regardless of what studios do there will still be pirates and the explosion of the internet would have given rise piracy regardless, but the studios could have also risen there profits/sales by acting fast and having the very simple idea to sell their media that way but they waited to long and then waited some more and still they did nothing.

Wow that was long :) sorry for the mini rant, I'll stop now :D
 
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Either way, with the popularity of magnet links and DHT networks, trackers are dissipating, and torrents are here to stay. Welcome to the future, and a great and unstoppable one at that.
 
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It isn't just the fact that you can watch when you want, how you want. A lot of torrents bypass ads and DRM, so if you buy it legally, it is actually more of a nuisance than if you bought it legally. It isn't morally sound, and you may lose out on features or quality, but it is much easier and quicker to get in.

Take a film for instance, you buy it on DVD and you have to sit through ads, you have to sit through the anti-piracy speech, you have to sit and wait for the menu to load. 10 minutes in and you still aren't watching the film!! You torrent the same film and you play it and it is straight into the film, no waiting.

With a game, none of this "you must be online to play", "you have run out of key codes uses for the game which you legally bought", you install and there you go, play it.

The media companies have screwed up in the way you said, and also by doing their customers over by trying to stop piracy, which if anything, is just driving them further into it. It isn't all that possible for film companies, but for game companies, people would buy the game rather than get it illegally if there was quality content, updated regularly.

Take Minecraft for instance, there is an update at least every month, sometimes weekly, so it is less hassle to just buy the game and have it self update. You get it easier, you get the features straight away and you can play the game completely unlimited. If companies spent less time worrying about anti-piracy measures (which Mojang (the studio making Minecraft) don't do, and they are actually pro piracy) and more time worrying about the content itself, they would make a hell of a lot more sales.

Morally, it is wrong because you are taking away from someone's livelihood, but for the ease of the end user, money wise, effort wise and time wise, it is no surprise there are so many using torrents illegally.

So far as legalities go, one thing that has always really ticked me off is how it is illegal to download materials that you already own. Say you buy a film and the DVD gets scratched to hell, why should you go out and buy another? If you download it, you have already given the company the money to watch the film, so why don't they let you have it? One thing they should do is offer you a retrieval code, so you can download it online by putting the code in, and none of this binding to accounts, why would you need to?

But then, people would abuse the system, find the codes, or the algorithm to get them, and they would be pointless. At the end of the day, it is a combined effort of the media companies, the pirates, and to a certain extent, the end users, both those that get the content legally and illegally. Illegally because they are fueling the problem, and legally because people are voting with their wallets, and voting the wrong way. They are saying yes to DRM and over-protection, rather than saying "I won't get the media" and just doing without until the companies get the message. I'm not saying they should turn to getting the content illegally, but going without, or getting it second hand or when the price is much, much lower
 
It isn't just the fact that you can watch when you want, how you want. A lot of torrents bypass ads and DRM, so if you buy it legally, it is actually more of a nuisance than if you get illegally. It isn't morally sound, and you may lose out on features or quality, but it is much easier and quicker to get in.

Did you mean to say get illegaly where i put in in bold right? :) either way I totally agree, cant beileve I didnt rant about drm and such, especially since that is one of the reasons that I hated itunes as it wouldnt play on anything else apart from itunes and apparantly to watch sd content from itunes you need to have at least a pentium D, i had pentium 4, which is riduclous as the system could handle sd fine, with a better gpu that could decode hd content prob could have got hd content working as well.


Morally, it is wrong because you are taking away from someone's livelihood, but for the ease of the end user, money wise, effort wise and time wise, it is no surprise there are so many using torrents illegally.

This is true but am i not right in saying that the artist do not get that much of the revenue/profits, most of it goes to the studio/recording company, some movie/tv studios seem to be making substantial porfits atm despite piracy which they claim is ruining the industry (I've heard a few claims saying they make more now, I assume after being adjusted for infaltion.
As for the artist themselves they still seem to be pretty loaded, I remember reading something, I think on CF, and it said that the amount of piracy isnt helped when you turn on your tv to see shows like MTV cribs :)
Someone also said that although the sales of music has gone there has been an rise in the amount of people going to concerts, because they discover music for free that they never would otherwise and one concert ticket is usually the price of three albusm (sometimes more than 10), hence driving up profits and, although i'm not 100% on this, more of the money from concert tickets goes to the artist than the royalties of the music sold.
But you are correct morally it is wrong, but there are a surprising amount of artist who state they like the idea of music being free and obviously making it easier for everyone to access and its the companies that stop doing this because they want more money.

So far as legalities go, one thing that has always really ticked me off is how it is illegal to download materials that you already own. Say you buy a film and the DVD gets scratched to hell, why should you go out and buy another? If you download it, you have already given the company the money to watch the film, so why don't they let you have it? One thing they should do is offer you a retrieval code, so you can download it online by putting the code in, and none of this binding to accounts, why would you need to?

This is a real annoyance, I agree, however most companies seem to to get on peoples case more about sharing the file whilst they download it, and hence sharing it with multiple users and violating copyright laws.
I'm not sure if this is so but if you had a reciept of an, or the scrathed cd in front and mange to procure in way that means you were not sharing it with anyone else I wonder what would happen then. You have proof you owned the cd, you got it in a way that didnt share it with anyone else, so that should be fine, probably not though, for some reason.
 
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Lets face it!If companies sucks so much (which is totally true) then why the hell would people buy anything in original if they can have the same thing for free much faster?
Hell...you can find anything on torrents...even expensive things like Adobe Photoshop,any Microsoft Windows operating system and things like Microsoft Visual Studio and anything else!
Take this for example...if someone wants to start learing C# programming in the Microsoft Visual Studio 2010...you think that the man/girl would give 780 dollars to buy it??????HELL NO!He/she would rather download it in few hours for free and again he/she will have the same thing with one advantage...he/she did not have to wait for few days or even weeks for it to arrive esecially if you live far from US lol and at the end you see it's not what you wanted.

With torrents is better and simpler lol.You download it,you don't like it,no problem.Just delete it and download another one and it will all always cost you 00,00 dollars lol :D

Lets face it...many people who say that they are not using torrents for illegal use...DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK THEY ARE HONEST?HELL NO LOL!They also download a lot of illegal content,only they won't admit it :D

The only thing I hate is when I am downloading very important torrent data and there are 0 seeders!But hey...at least it's always totally free and always will be =D
 
Lets face it!If companies sucks so much (which is totally true) then why the hell would people buy anything in original if they can have the same thing for free much faster?
Hell...you can find anything on torrents...even expensive things like Adobe Photoshop,any Microsoft Windows operating system and things like Microsoft Visual Studio and anything else!
Take this for example...if someone wants to start learing C# programming in the Microsoft Visual Studio 2010...you think that the man/girl would give 780 dollars to buy it??????HELL NO!He/she would rather download it in few hours for free and again he/she will have the same thing with one advantage...he/she did not have to wait for few days or even weeks for it to arrive esecially if you live far from US lol and at the end you see it's not what you wanted.

With torrents is better and simpler lol.You download it,you don't like it,no problem.Just delete it and download another one and it will all always cost you 00,00 dollars lol :D

Lets face it...many people who say that they are not using torrents for illegal use...DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK THEY ARE HONEST?HELL NO LOL!They also download a lot of illegal content,only they won't admit it :D

The only thing I hate is when I am downloading very important torrent data and there are 0 seeders!But hey...at least it's always totally free and always will be =D

I smell a hammer coming...

I use the infinite power of torrents for good, not for evil. And don't accuse people of lying, either, it will get you in serious trouble :)
 
I smell a hammer coming...

I use the infinite power of torrents for good, not for evil. And don't accuse people of lying, either, it will get you in serious trouble :)

Yeah mate i back you up on that, ive even heard of companies uisng torrents/p2p to share large files over their network and saveon bandwidth, now I know for a fact if anything was being downloaded other than legal stuff, approved and shared by the company they would elimate the person dl the copywrighted stuf and prob fire them.

Many people use torrents for legal purposes, more and more compnaies, obviously mainly tech compaines, offer p2p as a way to download numerous legal things.

@stars you cannot say that everyone who says they use torrents legally is also using them illegally, that is a genralisation, possibly based on the people you know, unless you meet and do some detective work on everyone who you have heard/read etc said that then your are just saying opinion and not fact.

Lets face it!If companies sucks so much (which is totally true) then why the hell would people buy anything in original if they can have the same thing for free much faster?

First we have I have been talking about media companies, not software.

Second the companies "suck" because they are corporate business' that look for profits, you buy stuff in the shops cause you like the film or you like the band, you support the artist not the company, I buy things when I feel they deserve it, I dont care if I can get it free and I dont do it beacuse I want to support the company, I do it for the artist, because at least a little bit of my money goes towards them, even if not all, hell i still buy games I can prob get cheaper on steam just because I like to have a collection of discs and not just digital media.



The only thing I hate is when I am downloading very important torrent data and there are 0 seeders!But hey...at least it's always totally free and always will be =D


Until you get caught and made an example of, unless you live somewhere where it is not an issue.


I smell a hammer coming...

Is this the hammer:
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