Tablets, I don't get it?

[tlarkin]

I dont know what you have against me, but i simply asked to see the math that you did where you proved that an ipad would be just as cost effective as a leather bound paper menu.

Im honestly curious, I want to see the menu that you priced out that can cost "around the same" as a 499 for the entry level iPad.

Dont be hatin!

I don't have anything personal against you. However, in previous threads I requested you research and prove your stance, and you didn't. You just linked newegg with out actually researching spec for spec, which was not a 100% valid comparison. Then when I said I was tired of having the same old debate and you could search my older posts, you claimed you did, but you decided to avoid the fact I had actually listed out every spec for spec comparison.

A simple usage of the search function would bring up this thread I am referring, and here it is

http://www.computerforum.com/187482-why-would-anyone-buy-ipad-5.html

 

[Quiltface]

I went to chili's this weekend and they had little tablet like things at the table, it had the menu and specials on it.. games and you can order dessert and pay for your food at the table... it even spat out a receipt. Very Cool indeed.

Im pretty sure dessert was the only thing you could order... maybe drinks but i dont drink so i didnt even browse that section.

It wasnt an ipad...i dont know what it was my guess it was built on android. It had a stand built into it and a printer so it wasnt like a device you would pick up for yourself.

 

[tlarkin]

I went to chili's this weekend and they had little tablet like things at the table, it had the menu and specials on it.. games and you can order dessert and pay for your food at the table... it even spat out a receipt. Very Cool indeed.

Im pretty sure dessert was the only thing you could order... maybe drinks but i dont drink so i didnt even browse that section.

It wasnt an ipad...i dont know what it was my guess it was built on android. It had a stand built into it and a printer so it wasnt like a device you would pick up for yourself.

Yeah I love the android Market and the flexibility of their app distribution but I am not a fan of Java. Java is a language some developers try to use on purpose so they don't have to port their app/product to multiple platforms, since Java runs on all. However, when you have a non open standard acting like an open standard moderated by committee you get what you get and that is Java.

You are always at the mercy of the developers, because you can only use what they provide unless you want to in-house develop everything yourself. This is the logical reason why I like iOS better than Android, is that iOS is built off nothing but open standards. Objective C, HTML 5, javascripting, java and so forth. Since Obj C can bridge to C#, C, C++ you can use those too, and I think you can use other languages that can bridge to Obj C like Python and perhaps ruby. Though I am not a developer so I am not 100% on that.

The one thing about Java that I do not like is that Java, since it is treated as an open platform, but it really isn't (since it is owned by Sun/Oracle) is that they do not abide by any platform's rules. They do not follow standards given by Microsoft, Apple, Linux distros, etc. So it is kind of a catch 22, yes your app runs on everything but it isn't always easy to manage since you don't follow any platform specific models that the OS developers give you.

The touch screen idea will catch on. I don't think Apple will break into retail markets like fast food chains, ATM machines, banks, self check out at the grocery stores and so forth, but I do see Apple breaking into more specific fields. High end dining, medical, engineering, marketing, graphic design, legal, and of course their biggest market - consumer.

 

[Iceyn1pples]

I don't have access to the costs of these things handy, but lets say gold foil printing is going to cost you $10 per a menu, the actual print job itself will be $1 per a sheet, to have the logo stamped on the leather binding is another $10, the labor cost of printing them is (guessing here) $500, and of course since these are fancy menus with fancy fonts there needs to be some sort of design done to it, like in Adobe Illustrator or something, so the labor costs go up. Plus commission an artist to design something fancy for the menu. I am going to say, $500?

300 logos stamped on the leather = $3,000.00
gold foil print $10 per a menu = $3,000.00
$1 per a page 5 pages * 300 menus = $1,500.00
labor to print = $500.00
artist commission = $500.00
300 leather bound binders for menus = $12,000.00
cost of fancy paper = $33,000.00.00
Total = $53,500.00
cost per menu = $178.33

67 iPads = $33,433.00
100 iPads = $49,900.00

Trust me, when you are spending 150 to 400 per a meal per a person at a fine dining restaurant they are going to buy the most expensive stuff to make their menu look good. The high end critics will judge them on such things. With millions of dollars invested at times it doesn't surprise me menus for a 200 person restaurant can cost over $50k.

You go into detail the costs of creating a menu, and compare it to an out of the box state of an ipad.

1. I pads require configuration (Restaurants usually contract in IT for support when needed)

2. The app needs to be developed for the specific restaurant and a menu needs to be programmed. and im sure the cost for some to develop an app would cost significantly more than designing a paper menu. What about patches, updates, or even fixing bugs as the menu gets used. IT Development costs are high if they hire in house, and even higher if they contract....

3. Maintenance of said Ipads. Updating the required firmware apple shoves down your throat on a 100 ipads takes a bit of time. I say 20-30 minutes per Ipad as they need to be backedup prior to update. Thats just uneccesary costs. Not to mention hosting the servers and software and hardware setup required for such communications between the app and the restaurant staff.

I say the cost FAR outway the benefits. At a high scale restaurant, its all about the food, not the menu.

 

[tlarkin]

You go into detail the costs of creating a menu, and compare it to an out of the box state of an ipad.

1. I pads require configuration (Restaurants usually contract in IT for support when needed)

2. The app needs to be developed for the specific restaurant and a menu needs to be programmed. and im sure the cost for some to develop an app would cost significantly more than designing a paper menu. What about patches, updates, or even fixing bugs as the menu gets used. IT Development costs are high if they hire in house, and even higher if they contract....

3. Maintenance of said Ipads. Updating the required firmware apple shoves down your throat on a 100 ipads takes a bit of time. I say 20-30 minutes per Ipad as they need to be backedup prior to update. Thats just uneccesary costs. Not to mention hosting the servers and software and hardware setup required for such communications between the app and the restaurant staff.

I say the cost FAR outway the benefits. At a high scale restaurant, its all about the food, not the menu.

Have you ever been to a high end dining experience? I mean where your plate alone costs over $100 for a simple one course meal? Granted, that is not really my thing, but I have been there and trust me, they can easily afford ipads. It makes them look good and people like it. How do you think Ferrari actually sell? It is not because they are practical that is for sure.

 

[Iceyn1pples]

Have you ever been to a high end dining experience? I mean where your plate alone costs over $100 for a simple one course meal? Granted, that is not really my thing, but I have been there and trust me, they can easily afford ipads. It makes them look good and people like it. How do you think Ferrari actually sell? It is not because they are practical that is for sure.

Ya, but that has nothing to do with your argument that an ipad is just as cost effective as a fancy paper menu. OF all people here, I expected you to do a fair comparison. BUT i was wrong.

Your comparisons are simply to make your point, often biased. And you dart backing up your claims by changing the subject so that you simply dont have to answer the question at hand.

Honestly, how fair of a comparison is that?

 

[tlarkin]

Ya, but that has nothing to do with your argument that an ipad is just as cost effective as a fancy paper menu. OF all people here, I expected you to do a fair comparison. BUT i was wrong.

Your comparisons are simply to make your point, often biased. And you dart backing up your claims by changing the subject so that you simply dont have to answer the question at hand.

Honestly, how fair of a comparison is that?

1st off iPads are ridiculous easy to manage. 2nd, there are apps out there for high end wine menus and dining, so there is a market for it, and 3rd my comparison was that it was feasible cost wise.

I worked in a print shop for a few years in high school, and once you get fancy paper, metallic ink, real leather bindings, it gets quite expensive. I did a leather bound set of booklets for a church when I worked there, and it cost them almost $20k for their little leather bound booklets.

I think it is time you meet my ignore list. You just want to pick arguments with me rather than have a discussion. You, again for the last time, misread what I wrote. I never said it would replace menus, I said it was cost effective to replace them.

Either way, see ya

 

[Quiltface]

the idea that i like even better than replacing menus with tablets is the MS surface replacing the table/menu... cost aside that would be pretty neat.

 

[tlarkin]

the idea that i like even better than replacing menus with tablets is the MS surface replacing the table/menu... cost aside that would be pretty neat.

Actually those really aren't all that expensive when considering the cost of solid wood tables and bars these days. The cost of wood has gone way up.