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[Hexius Universe]

This is what ive got so far, but still 120 over budget:

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/fV8fyf

Sorry I don't play csgo, so no don't know, but I would guess very high fps.

If you want to get the price down another 120, then it will have to come out of the cpu and/or graphics card.

dude that is way over XD but i want gtx 950-980ti or any r9 besides that 480 ones

Dude... so please explain why you chose DDR4-2400 in your list?

Also keep in mind, DDR4-3000 is $6.99 more. http://pcpartpicker.com/product/LhgPxr/gskill-memory-f43000c15d16gvrb

You also spec'd a mATX mobo for him. LOL.

There's no hypothetical IF about his upgrades. At one point he'll consider a faster processor. Let's be honest here, his i5-6500 right now is "good enough". But even the jump from a i5-6500 to a i7-6700k is pretty substantial in raw compute power. Let alone a Cannonlake in a year's time (which let's be honest here is being released in the 2nd half of 2017, so you won't see availability at affordable prices until early 2018.), that will be an upgrade on top of the current top of the line skylakes.

Don't forget to factor in the advances we're seeing in GPU power. What you'll see is that the bottleneck in games is already seeing a drift to the CPU side again at 1080p resolution.

Now, none of this matters if he decides to only ever playing csgo for the next 10 year as any off the shelf "gaming tower" can play CS:GO at good performance.

@Hexius Universe, running games over 100 fps doesn't mean anything unless you have 144hz monitors. If you have a regular 60hz monitor and you're bragging about rendering above 100fps, apart from waving your epenis around, you'll notice screen tearing and you'll end up turning v-sync on which caps your fps to the refresh rate of your monitor.

just stop your trying to roast me it seems like just saying

 

[Intel_man]

980ti is more than half your total budget for your computer. You're not getting one at $850 budget.

just stop your trying to roast me it seems like just saying

No one's roasting anyone. I am simply feeding your more knowledge on what to look for in computers so you can come to a better educated decision on what to purchase.

At the end of the day, you can ignore everything I've said and go out and buy an AMD AM3+ platform right now and I couldn't care less. Because at that point, it'll be your loss, not mine.

 

[johnb35]

I have to put my 2 cents in here unfortunately. I recently did a entry level client build with that motherboard and man is it small(its a smaller matx board not the normal size). I'm not sure I would actually use it for a gaming build. And to be frank, I would actually save up more money simply for the fact that your are cutting costs where you shouldn't be. Would actually get an ATX motherboard and would have to agree with Intel Man about getting the Z170 board now instead of later. Always makes better sense to spend the right amount of money now instead of more later.

dude that is way over XD but i want gtx 950-980ti or any r9 besides that 480 ones

And why are you wanting older generation cards when the newer series cards are out?

 

[Hexius Universe]

ok i updated the latest build has cpu (i will probs upgrade to i7 when i need to) same video card(i think) ill change it to something better later and monitor will make it cost 900 and i put the 170 water ever and stuff so... oh wait
i also put DDR4-3000 in it so any more advice( i don't want the pc[just the pc] going over 800)

 

[Shlouski]

Dude... so please explain why you chose DDR4-2400 in your list?

Because it the same price at the 2133

Also keep in mind, DDR4-3000 is $6.99 more

He doesn't have the money for a z170, so it being only 7 dollars more is irrelevant

the jump from a i5-6500 to a i7-6700k is pretty substantial in raw compute power

Not in gaming, for gaming this would be a pointless upgrade and you would expect him to consider wasting money on this years from now when there's newer and significantly better hardware.

100 fps doesn't mean anything unless you have 144hz monitors

If you had read through properly you would see he intends to buy a 144hz monitor.

You also spec'd a mATX mobo for him. LOL.

Yes there is nothing wrong with Matx boards, I could spec him the BIGGEST motherboard on the planet it wouldn't make a difference, you know bigger isn't faster, this motherboard is smaller because it has less pci slots.

 

[Hexius Universe]

Because it the same price at the 2133



He doesn't have the money for a z170, so it being only 7 dollars more is irrelevant



Not in gaming, for gaming this would be a pointless upgrade and you would expect him to consider wasting money on this years from now when there's newer and significantly better hardware.



If you had read through properly you would see he intends to buy a 144hz monitor.



Yes there is nothing wrong with Matx boards, I could spec him the BIGGEST motherboard on the planet it wouldn't make a difference, you know bigger isn't faster, this motherboard is smaller because it has less pci slots.

yo so... i made a final one i think i like it i5 6500(not changing) power is nice ddr4-3009you can change it to the lower ones to make it cheaper) and same keyboard and what not that is mainkly it

here is the new build http://pcpartpicker.com/user/The_Crimson/saved/#view=MhNGXL i should mianly change the mobo to the 110 or whatever it was right?

 

[Shlouski]

I have to put my 2 cents in here unfortunately. I recently did a entry level client build with that motherboard and man is it small(its a smaller matx board not the normal size). I'm not sure I would actually use it for a gaming build. And to be frank, I would actually save up more money simply for the fact that your are cutting costs where you shouldn't be. Would actually get an ATX motherboard and would have to agree with Intel Man about getting the Z170 board now instead of later. Always makes better sense to spend the right amount of money now instead of more later.


And why are you wanting older generation cards when the newer series cards are out?

Spending more money now, so he can buy another processer later on, which he won't get the performance out of because he's not going to overclock it is saving money

 

[Shlouski]

Hexius

As I have for you, please take a few minutes and take a look here:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/1289

I know they use i5 6600, which is exactly the same as the i5 6500, but clock just a little faster and they perform about exactly the same.

You can see the facts for yourself, even a gtx 980 is seeing basically no performance benefits from the cpu's they suggest you upgrade to in the future, you will be paying for nothing.

Even GTA5 a cpu demanding game running a 980, the i7 6700 only get 2 fps more than the i5 6600, these are the huge gains you can look forward to.

 

[Intel_man]

You should try harder to fox news your way into thinking that there's no performance increases with an i7 to i5, but I'm not letting that happen.

You're comparing FPS averages without taking consideration the Min FPS experienced. What does MIN FPS have anything to do with gaming? Well, take a look at this graph. These are based on the AMD R9 Fury GPU and 16GB of ram on all machines tested (DDR3 on AMD and DDR4 on Intel).

Keep in mind this is on the 6600k as well. Not even the 6500. What you see in that graph is that you'll witness FPS spikes which will in terms of visual representation, witness a spike in your gameplay. Nothing is more annoying that huge fps spikes that basically freeze frame the game for a split second.

For any games that are very CPU intensive, which GTA V is pretty well known for, you'll see a bigger performance impact on the minimum fps category. As with other games that are less CPU intensive, the min FPS isn't as dramatic, but it's still there. (as shown below)

Now I'm not telling you to go buy a i7 6700k right now because your budget doesn't allow for it. But now if we look at another graph showing what an i5-6600k can do when it is overclocked.

What you see is that even a i5-6600k is more than capable of keeping up with the bigger brother i7-6700k.

 

[Shlouski]

You should try harder to fox news your way into thinking that there's no performance increases with an i7 to i5, but I'm not letting that happen.

Ok, lol.
Sorry I'm British and I've never watched Fox news.

You sir stop trying to BBC News it then, I guess

You're comparing FPS averages without taking consideration the Min FPS experienced. What does MIN FPS have anything to do with gaming? Well, take a look at this graph. These are based on the AMD R9 Fury GPU and 16GB of ram on all machines tested (DDR3 on AMD and DDR4 on Intel).

Your talking about that split second or even less when the fps falls that low, come on. You realize if it was more than this then it would not have got such a high average fps, you know this is how averages work right, 96 fps average and a minimum of 8, you know how short of a time that had to be.

Now I'm not telling you to go buy a i7 6700k right now because your budget doesn't allow for it. But now if we look at another graph showing what an i5-6600k can do when it is overclocked.

And you still don't understand HE DOES NOT WANT TO OVERCLOCK, so what performance boost is a stock 6600k going to have over a 6500?
It would also would not be worth buying an i7 6700k 3-4-5 years from now when he needs to upgrade, he would be buying old tech, by then there will cheaper more powerful tech.

 

[Hexius Universe]

I don't want to over clock I just want a cheap ish build that can run some games good I'll stay with 950 i5 6500 110 mobo ddr4 200 or what ever same case 430 watt power same peripherals

There changed

 

[Shlouski]

Ok

First you can do without the extra cooler, that i5-6500 you have selected comes with a cooler in the box with the cpu, so you can save 24.88 there.
Secondly that is a low wattage PSU, it is going to limit you on what GPU you can upgrade to in the future, I would use that 24.88 to get something in the 500-600 watt range, if you plan to upgrade in the future.
I'm looking at the motherboard and GPU, need a few mins.

 

[Hexius Universe]

Ok

First you can do without the extra cooler, that i5-6500 you have selected comes with a cooler in the box with the cpu, so you can save 24.88 there.
Secondly that is a low wattage PSU, it is going to limit you on what GPU you can upgrade to in the future, I would use that 24.88 to get something in the 500-600 watt range, if you plan to upgrade in the future.
I'm looking at the motherboard and GPU, need a few mins.

K man I'll change that up

Changed its better now thanks

 

[Shlouski]

That H110 has only 2 dimm slots, so no ram upgrades and no raid.
H110 is a very basic chipset, it has CPU PCI-E 3.0 Config Support, but only 6 PCI-E 2.0 Lanes Chipset PCI-E Support, but should be good enough if you only want to game.

 

[Intel_man]

Ok, lol.
Sorry I'm British and I've never watched Fox news.

You sir stop trying to BBC News it then, I guess

No. That's not how that works.

Your talking about that split second or even less when the fps falls that low, come on. You realize if it was more than this then it would not have got such a high average fps, you know this is how averages work right, 96 fps average and a minimum of 8, you know how short of a time that had to be.

Do you even know what super low min. fps does to your game play experience? I would much rather trade off a lower average fps to have a higher minimum fps. Unfortunately, it doesn't really work like that as lower min fps is most often tied to either a CPU that's being bottlenecked or the GPU being bottlenecked which in turns affects the average fps across the board.

Ever played GTA V when that lower fps stutters occur? IT'S GOD AWFUL. I don't think you understands what sub 10 min fps does when it occurs. That shit is worst than high ping (150+ms) FPS gaming.

And you still don't understand HE DOES NOT WANT TO OVERCLOCK, so what performance boost is a stock 6600k going to have over a 6500?
It would also would not be worth buying an i7 6700k 3-4-5 years from now when he needs to upgrade, he would be buying old tech, by then there will cheaper more powerful tech.

Just because he's uncomfortable with the idea of overclocking NOW, doesn't mean he won't explore it LATER. Apparently, you didn't understand what that graph showed. It showed even a i5-6600k at stock clock was struggling with games like GTA V in the min. FPS category. Again, read my above response as to why ITS A PRETTY BIG DEAL.

Also, I never told him to buy a 6700k a few years down the road. I talked about Cannon lake. Which is a die shrink of Kaby Lake. From the latest roadmap, Cannonlake is basically at the time of where we're at right now with Skylakes. If you still don't understand what that means, then let me put it this way. Ice lake, the replacement to Cannonlake, is getting close to being released by Intel, but not quite yet. ie... no it really isn't going to be "old tech" by then. There's also not going to be a cheaper more powerful version of it any time soon. Just look at the previous gen i7 4790k. That thing is fairly close in performance to the 6700k. Apart from stuff like nvme support, m.2 support, and DDR4, there wasn't really a reason to go from something like a 4790k to the new skylake platform.

You also don't understand this concept of... lemme spend $30 extra now on this machine, so I have the option of upgrading down the road without dropping another $800 to replace everything because there's no room to expand or add anything in to keep up with the latest "tech".

 

[Hexius Universe]

That H110 has only 2 dimm slots, so no ram upgrades and no raid.
H110 is a very basic chipset, it has CPU PCI-E 3.0 Config Support, but only 6 PCI-E 2.0 Lanes Chipset PCI-E Support, but should be good enough if you only want to game.

OK I want to game and YouTube(record/live stream) so what about gpu?(auto correct made it say gay not gpu XD

 

[Intel_man]

OK I want to game and YouTube(record/live stream) so what about gpu?(auto correct made it say gay not gpu XD

Nvidia's shadowplay is pretty sick for native support and record/live stream capabilities with minimum impact on fps performance. However, the cheapest "new" card from nvidia's the GTX 1060 6GB ($249) and it's not really within your budget.

AMD's RX 470 is $199. It's a good alternative.

 

[Hexius Universe]

Intel man so I need 170 chip or whatever? And the CPU is good for now and why would I do play gta I don't like it I have it on ps4 though just Intel man I don't EVER won't to overclock since it makes your PC die faster(long-term)

Nvidia's shadowplay is pretty sick for native support and record/live stream capabilities with minimum impact on fps performance. However, the cheapest "new" card from nvidia's the GTX 1060 6GB ($249) and it's not really within your budget.

AMD's RX 470 is $199. It's a good alternative.

So gtx 950 is good for me rn? Or do I need to upgrade to stream and stuff?

 

[Intel_man]

Intel man so I need 170 chip or whatever? And the CPU is good for now and why would I do play gta I don't like it I have it on ps4 though just Intel man I don't EVER won't to overclock since it makes your PC die faster(long-term)

I'm not trying to suggest that you should play GTA V. It's merely an example of a game that is very CPU intensive and the effects it have in performance on different levels of CPU.

overclocking your CPU in theory should decrease lifespan of CPU. However, it really isn't applicable to real-world applications. Under proper cooling and not going bezerk with over-volting, you'll replace your entire computer due to being completely obsolete before a CPU failure should occur. Overclocking your CPU causing noticeable decrease in lifespan should be treated as a myth.

So gtx 950 is good for me rn? Or do I need to upgrade to stream and stuff?

Honestly, the RX 470 is probably your best option right now.

 

[Hexius Universe]

Considering rxx will make it 1k but... I mainly what stuff like Cs:go so... But I should get 170 chip s since I will be able to upgrade my CPU and memory in the future?

But I don't plan on upgrading since this will last a couple years