Over clocking shorten CPU/RAM life?

ANNR said:
The cpu frequency is less than half of I7 860s actual speed. Intern of overclocking, does that mean even if I were to over clock my cpu, my cpu will just run like its stock speed like its never been overclocked before until it exceeds its speed it is advertised at?
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I'm not quite sure that I under stand your question right. I'm assuming that you are asking about when you lower the multiplier and raise the fsb you are not achieving the stock speeds of your cpu and you will not gain any performance boosts until you go over the stock speed... I hope I got that right, Correct me if I am wrong.

If that was is the case; hopefully I can explain that. When you raise your fsb you are raising the frequency of three components: the cpu core, your memory frequency and the frequency of your northbridge. (I don't think that the southbridge is clocked with this but I may be mistaken) While scaling your multiplier is just raising the the output frequency of your cpu. This is why a lot of serious overclockers suggest lowering your multiplier to the lowest that it can go and raising the fsb to it's max then raising the multiplier to boost the output of their cpu to the max that it can handle. So yes if you don't achieve the original frequency of your cpu you may not notice a huge difference in your system's performance but your memory and your cpu will be able to talk to each other faster since you have raised the performance of your northbridge. So overall your system performance will be better. For your i7 setup I'm guessing that there is not much that can really push your system to it's limits. So if you can't get the frequency past stock then I would just leave it alone.

Hopefully this will clear that up a bit. Here is the specs from my cpu,
Amd Phenom ll 955be:

A. (fsb = 200 X Mult. = 16) =~ 3200mhz (Stock)
B. (fsb = 200 X Mult. = 19.5) =~ 3900mhz (Raising just the multiplier)
C. (fsb = 244 X Mult. = 16) =~ 3900mhz (Raising just the fsb)
D. (fsb = 230 X Mult. = 17) =~ 3900mhz (Raising both)

From what I understand, the oc with the highest fsb will yield the highest system performance (D) but if the fsb that will give you your goal frequency is not stable or requires a v core higher than what you are comfortable with, then using a combination may be your answer (C).

Can you post the stock settings of your i7? I'm not too familiar with how they are set up.

I hope this helps! Again if I tried to answer the wrong question feel free to correct me.
 
ANNR said:
ok.
The cpu frequency is less than half of I7 860s actual speed. Intern of overclocking, does that mean even if I were to over clock my cpu, my cpu will just run like its stock speed like its never been overclocked before until it exceeds its speed it is advertised at?
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I don't really understand what you are asking but the reason your CPU speed is so low is because your processor is idle and conserving power.
 
Thanks salvage-this, your reply was very informative. I will keep it in mind when I start overclocking.

Cromewell said:
I don't really understand what you are asking but the reason your CPU speed is so low is because your processor is idle and conserving power.
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Sorry, I though My question was a bit unclear too but could not find the right way to word it.

Ok. so my cpu is at a lower frequency then advertised is due to CPU's feature to conserve power.

Now knowing the cpu is capable of lowering its operating frequency, I assume it will continue to do the same even after the CPU is overclocked?

If my assumption is right, does that means the CPU will run just like normal (like when it is not overclocked) when it is not under load?

For example:

At stock the I7 860 have peak operating frequency of 2.8 GHz. Now: if I were to over clock the cpu to 3.5 GHz (assuming no Voltage increase).

Now if my overclocked CPU does the same thing to conserve power by lowering its frequency. Will the CPU run just like when it was never overclocked since it is under its factory default frequency of 2.8 GHz?

Hope this make more sence :D
 
ANNR said:
Thanks salvage-this, your reply was very informative. I will keep it in mind when I start overclocking.



Sorry, I though My question was a bit unclear too but could not find the right way to word it.

Ok. so my cpu is at a lower frequency then advertised is due to CPU's feature to conserve power.

Now knowing the cpu is capable of lowering its operating frequency, I assume it will continue to do the same even after the CPU is overclocked?

If my assumption is right, does that means the CPU will run just like normal (like when it is not overclocked) when it is not under load?

For example:

At stock the I7 860 have peak operating frequency of 2.8 GHz. Now: if I were to over clock the cpu to 3.5 GHz (assuming no Voltage increase).

Now if my overclocked CPU does the same thing to conserve power by lowering its frequency. Will the CPU run just like when it was never overclocked since it is under its factory default frequency of 2.8 GHz?

Hope this make more sence :D
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Multiplier will lower, so it will decrease speed to speedstep levels. HOWEVER, speedstep also decreases voltages, and therefore it is advised to disable speedstep if you are overclocking your processor.
 
bomberboysk said:
Noctua NH-U12P SE2 comes with both the 1156 and 1366 bracket, which is basically the only major difference between the SE2 and the original that only had 775 mounting.

I tend to stray away from frostytech, for example, they have the Thermalright Ultra 120 beating the Ultra 120 Extreme.
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Good point, I have the SE not the SE2.

I like FT becasue the compare so many coolers. Even if you dont agree with their methods it is nice to compare like for like.

The Noctua is not as quite as all of the review say though. The db might be correct but the fan freq seems to be a lot lower like a sub than a normal fan. Not an issue just diff than I would have thought.
 
bomberboysk said:
Multiplier will lower, so it will decrease speed to speedstep levels. HOWEVER, speedstep also decreases voltages, and therefore it is advised to disable speedstep if you are overclocking your processor.
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I disagree.

I had speedstepping and c1e and all enabled with my E6400 oc'd to 3200 mhz 24/7 (would down step to 2400 mhz when idle) and it was stable as a rock

I have speedstepping enabled with my q6600 at 3.2 ghz and its stable.

If your oc is stable it shouldn't matter about speedstepping
 
ANNR said:
ok.

Here is the screen shot for my temp


The cpu frequency is less than half of I7 860s actual speed. Intern of overclocking, does that mean even if I were to over clock my cpu, my cpu will just run like its stock speed like its never been overclocked before until it exceeds its speed it is advertised at?

and how is my temp so far?
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Temp is fine - but if you're testing an overclock - you need to crank up the CPU usage to test the temp. Use a program like Prime95 to get your cores cranking at 100 % and see where the temps and stability go from there.
 
CravinR1 said:
I disagree.

I had speedstepping and c1e and all enabled with my E6400 oc'd to 3200 mhz 24/7 (would down step to 2400 mhz when idle) and it was stable as a rock

I have speedstepping enabled with my q6600 at 3.2 ghz and its stable.

If your oc is stable it shouldn't matter about speedstepping
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Overclocking DOES matter about speedstep. As i mentioned earlier, speedstep lower the voltage. When the voltage is lowered and clock speeds are lowered, the only thing lower is the multiplier. Speedstep will not increase the voltage with more clockspeed, therefore lets say you have a chip that is 333x8=2.66Ghz. Lets say you raise the FSB to 500 for a 4Ghz overclock, and that your speedstep multiplier is 6. That would equate to an fsb of 500x6=3.0Ghz, which depending on your chip, it may or may not be able to do at a voltage LOWER than stock.

My recommendations for overclocking hold firm, and when overclocking i recommend disabling the following functions:
C1E Enhanced Halt State
Speedstep/Cool & Quiet
All Spread Spectrums

Jamin43 said:
Temp is fine - but if you're testing an overclock - you need to crank up the CPU usage to test the temp. Use a program like Prime95 to get your cores cranking at 100 % and see where the temps and stability go from there.
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If you want to check temps, you dont want to run Prime95, you want to run a linpack based stability tester such as LinX:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=201670
 
Guess I don't really need the speed step if I were to overclock. It would be nice to have it but I guess it is better to have the CPU run at full powerful all the time rather than reducing its frequency.:P

Now I just need to find out if the V8 will fit my case


Does anybody have V8? will you please take some pictures and some measurements if possible?

I have Micro ATX case but it is very roomy inside. I think the V8 should work but would like to see some pics first.
 
ANNR said:
Guess I don't really need the speed step if I were to overclock. It would be nice to have it but I guess it is better to have the CPU run at full powerful all the time rather than reducing its frequency.:P

Now I just need to find out if the V8 will fit my case


Does anybody have V8? will you please take some pictures and some measurements if possible?

I have Micro ATX case but it is very roomy inside. I think the V8 should work but would like to see some pics first.
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The V8 is a pretty large cooler, what case do you have? Also, if you can get the xigmatek S1283V for a better price, its similar in height, not nearly as wide, and cools generally as good or better than the V8.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/251775-29-antec-cooler-master-install-pictures
 
On my board, I have the vcore past a certain pont (outside intel sepcs) so speedstep won't mess with the voltages, just the frequency. it bumps it down to about 2.4ghz from 3.8ghz without touching the voltage.
 
bomberboysk said:
The V8 is a pretty large cooler, what case do you have? Also, if you can get the xigmatek S1283V for a better price, its similar in height, not nearly as wide, and cools generally as good or better than the V8.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/251775-29-antec-cooler-master-install-pictures
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The xigmatek S1283V seems promising but it is a bit to noisy at 30 DBA. I have my desktop sit right next to me on the left side. Don't think I will be able to handle the noise:P

My case is SILVERSTONE TJ08-B
 
ANNR said:
The xigmatek S1283V seems promising but it is a bit to noisy at 30 DBA. I have my desktop sit right next to me on the left side. Don't think I will be able to handle the noise:P

My case is SILVERSTONE TJ08-B
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30dba isnt that loud,most gpu fans at idle are in the 30dba range, and can hit anywhere from 40-60dba at full speed. The v8 is overall louder than the xigmatek(the r4 fans are pretty loud for their airflow, and even though they are rated for 19dba, reality is much higher, the specs on those fans are really quite off).

Plus, there is always the option of switching the fan with a different one.
 
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