Need job advice

[Aastii]

Does he just want experience? Or is he looking for a job that gives experience, and money?


I did, And I don't get why we are still discussing this. I said that not all computer jobs are good paying, and I was right^^. You are also right, in the area that I was wrong, assuming thing which I shouldn't have......... Aaaaaand that made no sense did it? Ok I am gonna leave it at this, we were both right, just in different areas.

You are completely wrong, there is no we are right in different areas. All IT jobs pay well, even if you are 1st line support technician.

You can go and spend maybe £300-400 on qualifications then step into a job as 1st line support that pays £15-18k at the age of 16, straight from leaving compulsary education. Your first job and you are £1k under the national average income. That really isn't a complex job. In reality, the only qualification you need is being able to talk on a phone and being able to reset a password. For what you do, that is incredible pay.

Consider too that the rate of promotion in the IT industry is very quick. You can easily get promoted to 2nd line support within 6 months, putting you on or above national average income, and even that job isn't difficult or all that demanding. At 16-17 years of age, you have a higher income than the average Briton, just to reset passwords, pass on messages that the server is down and to send people to someone senior if they have a problem you can't fix, and still have scope for promotion.

They are the lowest of the low jobs so far as IT goes, they can and for those that keep in the IT industry and use the experience to further their career, do lead into much more lucrative jobs in a specialised area where 60+k or even 6 figure salaries aren't uncommon (though require a lot of experience and skills).

I'm a parent, so I'm concerned about experience. He's a kid, so he's concerned about money.

In the long run, if Solarus likes him, I think they would offer him a paid position which would probably exceed what he could make at the computer store.

I would take it rather than the store to be honest, but any will be valid experience. As it is a summer job and he is going to be going back into education come the end of summer, would the paid possition not be better though?

Even though the other may pay more in the long run, is he going to be there in the long run? If not then why not take the most lucrative? He will be able to put on his resume that he has experience in an IT environment and has people skills, but will have that bit of money in his pocket for a job well done.

If he was staying in employment and not moving to higher education I would agree with you, take the one that will pay off in the long run, but for a short term, part time job, take the short term rewards.

 

[ibhappy]

I would take it rather than the store to be honest, but any will be valid experience. As it is a summer job and he is going to be going back into education come the end of summer, would the paid possition not be better though?

Even though the other may pay more in the long run, is he going to be there in the long run? If not then why not take the most lucrative? He will be able to put on his resume that he has experience in an IT environment and has people skills, but will have that bit of money in his pocket for a job well done.

If he was staying in employment and not moving to higher education I would agree with you, take the one that will pay off in the long run, but for a short term, part time job, take the short term rewards.

At the job at the computer store he will be installing software and hardware, removing viruses and the like. He gets paid after working 72 hrs,

Not sure what he will be doing at the telecom frankly. I asked they give him broad exposure to operations, especially on the tech side and give him small projects that are mutually beneficial (recognizing that he will be doing a lot of menial stuff).The telecom is spending $34 million to upgrade their services, so hopefully they will be growing. They could provide him with a job after college,

Depending how many hours each place wants him to work, he could do both.

 

[Dragunov IV 424]

You are completely wrong, there is no we are right in different areas. All IT jobs pay well, even if you are 1st line support technician.

You can go and spend maybe £300-400 on qualifications then step into a job as 1st line support that pays £15-18k at the age of 16, straight from leaving compulsary education. Your first job and you are £1k under the national average income. That really isn't a complex job. In reality, the only qualification you need is being able to talk on a phone and being able to reset a password. For what you do, that is incredible pay.

Consider too that the rate of promotion in the IT industry is very quick. You can easily get promoted to 2nd line support within 6 months, putting you on or above national average income, and even that job isn't difficult or all that demanding. At 16-17 years of age, you have a higher income than the average Briton, just to reset passwords, pass on messages that the server is down and to send people to someone senior if they have a problem you can't fix, and still have scope for promotion.

They are the lowest of the low jobs so far as IT goes, they can and for those that keep in the IT industry and use the experience to further their career, do lead into much more lucrative jobs in a specialised area where 60+k or even 6 figure salaries aren't uncommon (though require a lot of experience and skills).



I would take it rather than the store to be honest, but any will be valid experience. As it is a summer job and he is going to be going back into education come the end of summer, would the paid possition not be better though?

Even though the other may pay more in the long run, is he going to be there in the long run? If not then why not take the most lucrative? He will be able to put on his resume that he has experience in an IT environment and has people skills, but will have that bit of money in his pocket for a job well done.

If he was staying in employment and not moving to higher education I would agree with you, take the one that will pay off in the long run, but for a short term, part time job, take the short term rewards.

Not true, the one up here, pays minimum wage.

 

[SuperDuperMe]

But whats the job? working in a little shop selling parts or actually in a place that uses IT skills?

Your just making broad statements with no back up and no evidence what so ever. Nothing y9ou have said so far has any substance.

 

[Dragunov IV 424]

Your right, I don't have anything to back it up. It is a job for virus removal, fixing comps, installing stuff, Everything.

 

[SuperDuperMe]

For what sort of company? A homebased, small factor buisness or a place like BT.

If its one guy looking for some help chances are he's not going to be able to afford to pay a lot to employees. If its a big place im calling BS.

 

[S.T.A.R.S.]

LoL you guys...

If he wants experience and knowledge:

Read a lot of books and test everything and understand everything you read and tested.If you did not understand something,read it again and never give up.

If he wants money:

Make sure you have experience and knowledge FIRST.If you do,make a great peace of software that MANY people will like and use and then sell it like crazy and if it goes well,you will be rich.


Conclusion:

You do not need to work for the company to gather experience,knowledge and money.You can do all that by yourself.Sure it's harder,but it's possible.

Everything is possible and you know why?

Because you have the most advanced peace of device that is known to exist and it's called HUMAN BRAIN.

So if someone tells you that you cannot do something (whatever it is) just because you did not work for some company,that's bullsh!t.You can do ANYTHING YOU WANT ALL BY YOURSELF.I made it.Sure it took me years,but now I am glad I did all by myself.Plus in the meantime I also became a medical tehnician and I work on E.R. and not just with hardware,software and programming.

Remember...you have HUMAN BRAIN and you can do ANYTHING you want ALL BY YOURSELF

And when I say ANYTHING,I mean:

-experience
-knowledge
-money
-and God knows what else





Cheers!

 

[Dragunov IV 424]

For what sort of company? A homebased, small factor buisness or a place like BT.

If its one guy looking for some help chances are he's not going to be able to afford to pay a lot to employees. If its a big place im calling BS.

Idk if it is a big company or not. Google it: Pc healers in Oscoda MI

 

[Dragunov IV 424]

LoL you guys...

If he wants experience and knowledge:

Read a lot of books and test everything and understand everything you read and tested.If you did not understand something,read it again and never give up.

If he wants money:

Make sure you have experience and knowledge FIRST.If you do,make a great peace of software that MANY people will like and use and then sell it like crazy and if it goes well,you will be rich.


Conclusion:

You do not need to work for the company to gather experience,knowledge and money.You can do all that by yourself.Sure it's harder,but it's possible.

Everything is possible and you know why?

Because you have the most advanced peace of device that is known to exist and it's called HUMAN BRAIN.

So if someone tells you that you cannot do something (whatever it is) just because you did not work for some company,that's bullsh!t.You can do ANYTHING YOU WANT ALL BY YOURSELF.I made it.Sure it took me years,but now I am glad I did all by myself.Plus in the meantime I also became a medical tehnician and I work on E.R. and not just with hardware,software and programming.

Remember...you have HUMAN BRAIN and you can do ANYTHING you want ALL BY YOURSELF

And when I say ANYTHING,I mean:

-experience
-knowledge
-money
-and God knows what else





Cheers!

Man, your the best . You just summed everything up in coconut shell.

 

[Aastii]

Summed up something that isn't relevant to the thread at all. May as well have given advice to eat 5 fruit and veg a day, it would have been as useful.

For the 3 jobs listed, all are valid, IT experience that carry the same weight on a resume. If one can be permanent in the future and lead to a good job, not some mid-low paying helpdesk job, that will allow for specialisation and use all of your son's knowledge and ability, then go for it. If none will give him that, go for the highest paying, you will have the same long term gains but better short term.

 

[Dragunov IV 424]

Summed up something that isn't relevant to the thread at all. May as well have given advice to eat 5 fruit and veg a day, it would have been as useful.

For the 3 jobs listed, all are valid, IT experience that carry the same weight on a resume. If one can be permanent in the future and lead to a good job, not some mid-low paying helpdesk job, that will allow for specialisation and use all of your son's knowledge and ability, then go for it. If none will give him that, go for the highest paying, you will have the same long term gains but better short term.

 

[claptonman]

Wow, well put.

Reading books and learning about the subject is good, since you will need the knowledge, but it is not enough. I cannot walk into a corporation and be like, I read all these books, job please. That's not the way the world works. You need *professional* experience and/or education from a college/school to be considered in a high-paying job.

 

[Aastii]

Wow, well put.

Reading books and learning about the subject is good, since you will need the knowledge, but it is not enough. I cannot walk into a corporation and be like, I read all these books, job please. That's not the way the world works. You need *professional* experience and/or education from a college/school to be considered in a high-paying job.

Absolutely this. Any sucker can go and sit a Microsoft or Cisco or Citrix or HP exam or go get a degree, it is how you put it into practice and prove you are a valuable asset to a business that gets you a job, and you can only get that from previous experience and good, solid references

 

[ayan]

If he's smart, let him learn programming. Fixing computers is fiddly work, and should the only ones who deserve that kind of cruelty are death convicts.
As i read though other posts, he will get bored.

I don't think you should get him hired that fast. Work experience is priceless, but the boss doesn't care about his career development, only for his profits, so, instead of letting him learn some real computer science, will put him to do fiddly work like a death convict. If it's a programming job, than it's definitely worth it, otherwise, don't.

Help him learn some algorithms. The basis of computer science are algorithms. That's how computer thinks, that's what he must think like.
After that, he must learn some object oriented programming.

After that he can get hired. Having medium notions of algorithms and some object oriented thinking, his work experience will be exponentially more productive.

Signed: 19 year old hired front end developer.

 

[S.T.A.R.S.]

If he's smart, let him learn programming...

...After that, he must learn some object oriented programming.

Object oriented programming (OOP) is my favorite type of programming lol.
And yea I agree with you that he can get bored fixing hardware after some time.Programming is more interesting since you can make anything that pops up in your mind.
Of course programming is not easy and you will need some time to start thinking like computer,but once you do,things will get easier.

 

[Dragunov IV 424]

Wow, well put.

Reading books and learning about the subject is good, since you will need the knowledge, but it is not enough. I cannot walk into a corporation and be like, I read all these books, job please. That's not the way the world works. You need *professional* experience and/or education from a college/school to be considered in a high-paying job.

Ok everyone hates single posts, but I got to do it one more time. For you clapto:

:good:

 

[ayan]

Wow, i made some mistakes. *the only one who deserve ... and *i think you shouldn't get him hired that fast.

Object oriented programming (OOP) is my favorite type of programming lol.
And yea I agree with you that he can get bored fixing hardware after some time.Programming is more interesting since you can make anything that pops up in your mind.
Of course programming is not easy and you will need some time to start thinking like computer,but once you do,things will get easier.

Good for you! . I love working with people who like OOP, because i don't like dealing with all the details. I like to make the program work cleverly and no more. What i like about oop lovers is that they are disciplined! which is priceless when coding massive projects .