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Tell me not of obscure disks and shady deals as I've seen em all.

I've been in this game from Windows 3.1. ;)

It would still be against the EULA though. :)
 
Nope. Genuine discs purchased from Newegg.

And it's not against the EULa. It said you could do that on Microsoft Answers, which is where my previous Q&A problem came from.
 
Yes, the problem occurred because you used a retail XP installation disc and the Product Key on the laptop's sticker is for an OEM version. You probably could have called Lenovo and gotten a recovery disc set for very little money. Otherwise you would have needed to install using a generic (non-branded) OEM disc that matched the version you had installed (Home/Pro/MCE) and the Product Key from the laptop's sticker.
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What is missing from the above statement Voyager or in other words what has not been stated?
 
I don't want to get into this mess because i would have to read from the beginning all over to sort it out. I will say for what ever its worth if ya change a video card or motherboard you will likely not activate without a phone call. Im just building on it right now. Its stupid stuff and im listening and still confused.
Carry on.........

And another note:
I never had a oem. they were always builds for what ever its worth.
 
Let's break this down yes?

Yes, the problem occurred because you used a retail XP installation disc and the Product Key on the laptop's sticker is for an OEM version.
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The above statement means that he used the OEM product key instead of the Retail key and one must presume that he did not have the Retail key otherwise he could have done a successful install.


You probably could have called Lenovo and gotten a recovery disc set for very little money. Otherwise you would have needed to install using a generic (non-branded) OEM disc that matched the version you had installed (Home/Pro/MCE) and the Product Key from the laptop's sticker.
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The words "Recovery Disk Set" indicate with absolute certainty that the Lenovo machine had a pre-installed OEM operating system and therefore no operating system disks came with it, as is the norm these days.

He could have used an unbranded OEM and the key already affixed to the to the Lenovo but as I said earlier what would be the point?

By saying this it would natural to assume the unbranded disk was new and therefore had its own key.

You will counter by saying that it is the legal key that matters and not the OEM disk.

I will counter by saying that an OEM license allows you to install on one single machine only.

You will say that it is possible to do multiple installs using the same unbranded OEM as long as there is a legit key present.

This then in theory means that a person using a single unbranded OEM could literally do hundreds of installs

I ask you to show me where MS allow the above practice.

I have shown you that MS state quite clearly that 1 OEM = 1 License and that's it.
 
GAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Wolfeymole said:
Let's break this down yes?
The above statement means that he used the OEM product key instead of the Retail key and one must presume that he did not have the Retail key otherwise he could have done a successful install.
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Yes, I'm aware of that. That is why it won't accept the OEM key off his machine, because he used a retail disc, and retail discs only take retail keys.

Wolfeymole said:
He could have used an unbranded OEM and the key already affixed to the to the Lenovo but as I said earlier what would be the point?

By saying this it would natural to assume the unbranded disk was new and therefore had its own key.
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Look back to what I said before about the unbranded disc. If you have a friend that has one, then use that disc; don't purchase one. The disc is all that matters! Forget the key that comes with an OEM disc! Besides, you’re ASSUMING it’s a new disc (with a key)!

Wolfeymole said:
You will counter by saying that it is the legal key that matters and not the OEM disk.

I will counter by saying that an OEM license allows you to install on one single machine only.

You will say that it is possible to do multiple installs using the same unbranded OEM as long as there is a legit key present.

This then in theory means that a person using a single unbranded OEM could literally do hundreds of installs

I ask you to show me where MS allow the above practice.

I have shown you that MS state quite clearly that 1 OEM = 1 License and that's it.
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Okay, now you’re just changing what I say. I am aware that OEM can only be installed on once computer. HOWEVER You COULD do multiple installs/reinstallations ON THAT ONE COMPUTER.

My point is, the end user can find an unbranded OEM disc/key, and use that key ON ONE MACHINE and use the disc with any other computer that has that version of Windows! You then build up your collection so you have one for every version! Then there is no need to buy a license/disc for every computer! I for example have an unbranded OEM disc I use to install anything from Windows 95 all the way thru 7.

To end, I'm simply trying to talk about the MEDIA he can use to reinstall the computer (and use the key on the laptop) without an issue!

You getting me yet? :angry:
 
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Okay, now you’re just changing what I say. I am aware that OEM can only be installed on once computer. HOWEVER You COULD do multiple installs/reinstallations ON THAT ONE COMPUTER.
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The above statement is not in dispute.

The statement you tossed out regarding the Lenovo/IBM box is entirely different.

Your argument is that if the box, or any box for that matter has a legitimate 25 digit/character key then you can use any unbranded OEM to do a new install, now I'll ask you once again to show me where Microsoft allow that.

You see on one hand you say that an OEM can be installed to one box only but then on the other you say you can install it to umpteen machines.

Look Voyager I'm not trying to get into an argument here but you seem not to be grasping what I am saying.
 
Wolfeymole said:
The above statement is not in dispute.

The statement you tossed out regarding the Lenovo/IBM box is entirely different.

Your argument is that if the box, or any box for that matter has a legitimate 25 digit/character key then you can use any unbranded OEM to do a new install, now I'll ask you once again to show me where Microsoft allow that.

You see on one hand you say that an OEM can be installed to one box only but then on the other you say you can install it to umpteen machines.

Look Voyager I'm not trying to get into an argument here but you seem not to be grasping what I am saying.
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First off, show me where Microsoft WON'T let you do that.

You're not grasping what I'm saying. You can use an unbranded OEM disc to install the OS and then use the key already on the computer (and use that key on that computer alone). You can use the unbranded OEM disc to install the OS on any machine that has a key on it and then use that key [on the machine].
 
Consider this aspect taken from that nice man Michael Stevens regarding the XP EULA

The End User License Agreement (EULA) for OEM software, including Windows XP, states that the software is licensed as a single integrated product in connection with the hardware..
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Further reading,

http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/oemeula.htm

I shall reiterate that I know that what you are saying can be done but to do so is not only against the OEM EULA but morally wrong also.
 
I've read through this entire thing and I'm still not sure I understand what you're arguing about.

Wolfey seems to keep saying that voyager thinks that you can install one Windows licence on multiple machines, which isn't what he's saying.

@Wolfey, I think what you are missing is that the Windows software license which would be considered good for one machine is tied to the activation serial key, not to the disc. Using a single Windows install disc for multiple machines, so long as the version matches the serial key and the individual serial keys are entered, is not against the EULA/laws so long as the disc was obtained through legal channels.
 
Using a single Windows install disc for multiple machines, so long as the version matches the serial key and the individual serial keys are entered, is not against the EULA/laws so long as the disc was obtained through legal channels.
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The above can only be achieved by using a disk under a VLK (Volume License Key) agreement.

If I were to go to Newegg tomorrow and buy an unbranded OEM to install on either a brand new hand built box or, not and, a machine that has say a faulty hard drive which was then replaced I could do so as I would be regarded as a System Builder.

What I am trying to make absolutely clear is that an OEM license quite clearly states once an OEM is installed for the first time it is "married" to that machine and cannot be transferred or used on any other machine irrespective of whether another machine has a legitimate key.
 
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What I am trying to make absolutely clear is that an OEM license quite clearly states once an OEM is installed for the first time it is "married" to that machine and cannot be transferred or used on any other machine irrespective of whether another machine has a legitimate key.
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We're not talking about transferring an OEM license! We are all aware that you cannot transfer an OEM license! I made that quite clear several posts ago!
 
Wolfeymole said:
The above can only be achieved by using a disk under a VLK (Volume License Key) agreement.
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If you're going to make a statement like that, then you're going to have to back it up. Every single legitimate point you've made has to do with reusing/transferring a Windows license. As voyager just exasperatedly claimed for what seems like the hundredth time, we're not talking about reusing a license on a different machine. If the license was tied to the disc and the key could only be used with that one disc, then system manufacturers would not have replacement Windows installation discs available for a fraction of the cost of a new OEM copy of Windows.

You seem to be taking facts regarding reuse of Windows serial key and using them in a different context in which they do not apply.
 
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PohTayToez said:
If you're going to make a statement like that, then you're going to have to back it up. Every single legitimate point you've made has to do with reusing/transferring a Windows license. As voyager just exasperatedly claimed for what seems like the hundredth time, we're not talking about reusing a license on a different machine. If the license was tied to the disc and the key could only be used with that one disc, then system manufacturers would not have replacement Windows installation discs available for a fraction of the cost of a new OEM copy of Windows.

You seem to be taking facts regarding reuse of Windows serial key and applying them in a different context in which they do not apply.
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THANK YOU! So I'm not going crazy!

But yes, he seems to think we're talking about transferring a license from one machine to another.

I'm simply trying to help the OP by saying he can save money by just getting an unbranded OEM disc and use that + the key on the bottom of the laptop to get it up and running again.
 
Ok here's a question ok?

You guys seem to think that using either an unbranded or branded OEM on any other machine other than what it was originally installed on to do multiple installs is ok yes?
 
Wolfeymole said:
Ok here's a question ok?

You guys seem to think that using either an unbranded or branded OEM on any other machine other than what it was originally installed on is ok yes?
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Unbranded is perfectly fine, yes. Branded OEM doesn't work like the unbranded does - it looks for a specific key.
 
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