Apple Top Dog

mep916 said:
This is also based on stock price and market capitalization, not true market share. I'm not hating on either party, as I'm a user of both Windows and Apple software, but I'd argue that Apple stock is in a bubble. To be the company #2 in the world -- in front of Wal Mart, for example -- this phenomenon will be corrected some time in the future.

They have a brilliant business model though.
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In 1999 I was a broke teenage college kid and Apple stock was at $11 per a share. Still kicking myself in the ass for not investing then. All tech stocks have a bubble, but the one thing Apple has been consistent at in the last 5 years is product growth. Then again, it is easy to grown when you are at the nether of the market share.

Once it evens out, I am sure it will drop in price and in profit margin. However, to isolate Apple as a bubble is pointless because everything in our market bubbles.

Historically though, Apple stock in the past decade has been one of the highest earning tech stocks, and to be honest, if you go back to the 80s Apple still proves more profitable.
 
tlarkin said:
In 1999 I was a broke teenage college kid and Apple stock was at $11 per a share. Still kicking myself in the ass for not investing then. All tech stocks have a bubble, but the one thing Apple has been consistent at in the last 5 years is product growth. Then again, it is easy to grown when you are at the nether of the market share.

Once it evens out, I am sure it will drop in price and in profit margin. However, to isolate Apple as a bubble is pointless because everything in our market bubbles.

Historically though, Apple stock in the past decade has been one of the highest earning tech stocks, and to be honest, if you go back to the 80s Apple still proves more profitable.
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Right now their P/E Ratio (24.0) is well within the best blue chip companies, so I'm not trying to underestimate them. They've earned their position. Just saying, it's hard to believe that this company, considering their market share (which is relatively small) in the computer hardware markets , is right there with the top businesses in the world. However, itunes is one of the best media delivery systems in the world, particularly for portable devices, and with the success of the ipad, I suppose investors are looking at the long-term potential of their bookstore as well. Not to mention the app store which has killed. I've prolly spent around $100 on apps myself. :P
 
ScottALot said:
100$ for Windows and 0$ for OpenOffice.



Oh, yah, because no one likes games and compatibility and everybody needs an annoying taskbar on the bottom and inconveniently sorted programs.
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Yeah, because all of the companies and average users are just flocking to OpenOffice. :rolleyes:

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. The taskbar is on the top, and the dock is on the bottom. How are programs inconveniently sorted? I guess the fact that all programs are sorted in the Applications folder is inconvenient... :rolleyes: And if I want the shortcut on the dock or desktop all I have to do is drag it to said places. Or to uninstall all I have to is drag it from the Applications folder to the Trash Bin and empty.
 
mep916 said:
Right now their P/E Ratio (24.0) is well within the best blue chip companies, so I'm not trying to underestimate them. They've earned their position. Just saying, it's hard to believe that this company, considering their market share (which is relatively small) in the computer hardware markets , is right there with the top businesses in the world. However, itunes is one of the best media delivery systems in the world, particularly for portable devices, and with the success of the ipad, I suppose investors are looking at the long-term potential of their bookstore as well. Not to mention the app store which has killed. I've prolly spent around $100 on apps myself. :P
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It depends on what market share you look at to be honest. Many people always look at the world market share, which Apple has approx ~8-9% or so they estimate. However, the world market share is the total amount of global computers. Apple is not in the market of making computers for ATM machines, POS systems (that is point of sale FYI), WYSE terminals, embedded systems (chips for routers, switches, controllers, etc), the computer you buy your tickets from at the movie theaters, computerized voting machines, the terminal computers at the airports which give you your tickets, and so forth. There are a lot of markets Apple does not participate in. So, looking at a global market share, I think it is obvious that PCs (even though technically, I would not really consider the ATM computers to be PCs, though some do run Windows) should have a bigger market because that is their business plan.

With Apple, they target two audiences. Consumers, and enterprise, and their enterprise is still lacking. However, if you take a look at Apple's consumer market share in the USA it is near 25% now. Consumer market share has way more mark up than private sales of ATM machines. So there is more money, and more profit and Apple has nearly a whole quarter of all consumers in the USA.
 
It was only a matter of time before it happened, I defected to apple when I got sick of being treated like crap by microsoft. Windows 7 may be a great product, but after my experience with Vista and microsoft's crappy customer service, it will be a long time before they will be seeing any more of my hard earned dollars.
 
ian said:
It was only a matter of time before it happened, I defected to apple when I got sick of being treated like crap by microsoft. Windows 7 may be a great product, but after my experience with Vista and microsoft's crappy customer service, it will be a long time before they will be seeing any more of my hard earned dollars.
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Your right on that one Ian,I contacted MS support before and they just do not want to know unless of course you want to buy something!
 
ian said:
It was only a matter of time before it happened, I defected to apple when I got sick of being treated like crap by microsoft. Windows 7 may be a great product, but after my experience with Vista and microsoft's crappy customer service, it will be a long time before they will be seeing any more of my hard earned dollars.
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I have so many stories with Microsoft Enterprise support (the support you pay a lot of money for, like when a server goes down) that would make you laugh. Like the time a server crashed and I was using my macbook pro to remote into it. The tech guy was so confused that I had a Mac, he forwarded me to tier 2. I tried to explain to him that remote desktop is remote desktop regardless if it is on Windows, Mac, or Linux but he could not wrap his head around it.
 
Come on games really. Go to any school upto 17 year olds and 98% game on a 360 or playstation when I tell my classmates I game on a computer other than Sims they go ooh but keyboards are too complicated and for the stupid open office comment open office is on mac too. "http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/" but were talking about windows products vs mac like:

Mac OS for 1 user: $129 "Ultimate" Only 1 edition
Windows 7 for 1 user: God knows how much for ultimate

iWork 09: $80 Only 1 ultimate edition
Microsoft Office $80-90 for student and upto 250+ for ultimate top of the line what ever
 
Steve Jobbs is a genius when it comes to producing what the masses want, and being able to sell it effectively, despite outrageous prices. And while I will always prefer a PC that I built myself, one must concede that Apple revolutionized technology with their MP3 players, and computers. Although the iPad is a hunk of shit and I hate every person who thinks it brings about the new age of tablets.
 
joh06937 said:
well apple surpassed microsoft as the most valuable technology company (and is now second to exxon for most valuable company in america):
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/05/26/BUDJ1DL0IU.DTL
http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/26/apple-microsoft-market-cap-2/
http://www.macrumors.com/2010/05/26...largest-u-s-company-by-market-capitalization/

some people on here (including myself) have bashed apple in some way (jokingly for the most part). it is hard to think that apple at one point was about to shutter its windows... but i was thinking today that, without apple, where would microsoft be? as much as people dislike apple they are really essential to the technology world. would we even have windows 7 or would we be dealing with vista still? anyone else feel the same way?

i will admit that i wish microsoft were top dog, although i am not really sure they deserve to be right now...
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look at the profit-apple aint nothing next to microsfoft, sure that microsoft need something to compete against dam right but the experience i have had with apple my mind wont be changed!!

im all for apple bringing it to microsfoft because at the end of the day it will lower prices and give more choice
 
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I think:

1- Apple has the music player market. Sorry for the Zune fans.
2- Apple and MS need each other. Their competitiveness is what keeps it being so innovative.
3- MS has lost the phone battle. iPhone and Android are taking over.

Honestly, Apple is doing better. MS just would have to kick it up a notch, but I will continue to support them because it isn't so overpriced to get a computer.
 
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