Multiple Display 101 - Beta - Your inputs please

you certainly have my ticket of recommendation. very nicely done sniperchang.

I will forward this to the section mods to see about getting it stickied for you.
 
Looks awesome.
I read it fairly quickly (so maybe i missed it)but didnt see anything about changes in proformance.
Ive never really gotten a full answer, will dual monitors reduce proformance and if so, how dramatically?
 
I think with using a splitter all you will get is a mirror image on the second monitor unless you can use nvidia software.

I'm not sure myself. I'll take the time to investigate, and add more on the subject.

you certainly have my ticket of recommendation. very nicely done sniperchang.

I will forward this to the section mods to see about getting it stickied for you.

Thank you, I'm glad you like it. I think there's still room for improvement, but a good start from the sound of things. :)

I was actually thinking of using this thread as a temporary 101 (that's why I called it a beta). To directly get people's inputs to improve the guide before I post the 'official' one. This way the 'official' 101 is free from other posts, just to keep it clean and I can improve it before it gets stickied. I've asked Preator's permission to write the 101, so he's aware of it, I'm sure I can get him to stickie the 'official' 101 once the beta is over, or you could make the mods you have/will contact aware of this.

thanks Dragon, for your recommendation; It means allot coming from you. :)


Looks awesome.
I read it fairly quickly (so maybe i missed it)but didnt see anything about changes in proformance.
Ive never really gotten a full answer, will dual monitors reduce proformance and if so, how dramatically?

Did you read section 6? :) The very first FAQ question covers performance.

If you did read it but not understand it, wait t'il I put in diagrams, it will make a world of difference. If not I'll re-write it if others also didn't understand it.
 
very good, i have added this to the annoucement at the top of the video card section along with the other 101.
This is a great peice of work and we are greatful for your efforts.

Note, we are tending to shy away from stickes, hence the annoucement
 
very good, i have added this to the annoucement at the top of the video card section along with the other 101.
This is a great peice of work and we are greatful for your efforts.

thanks, i'm glad you like it, it gave me something to do on my time off :)
Note, we are tending to shy away from stickes, hence the annoucement

oh yes, I started to notice so.

Do you think I should just keep my 101 here, or make a new thread? (if, that is, you wouldn't mind changing the link in the announcement). I can remake the improved 101 without my extra posts and others' replies, just to keep it clean and formal.
 
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Did you read section 6? :) The very first FAQ question covers performance.

If you did read it but not understand it, wait t'il I put in diagrams, it will make a world of difference. If not I'll re-write it if others also didn't understand it.

*Bangs self on head*
Not sure how i missed it lol. Sorry.
Makes perfect sense. Answered a question if have for a while.
Awesome post!
 
this is very close to what i was looking for, i have 14 computers we use for slide presentations and have recently started having problems with random videos clients will bring us. they will display in windows media player (clone screen) but only one (primary) will display video. we are changing graphics cards now (testing two machines) and after reading this, i am wondering if our machines would stop bogging down (choppy video) and both images would show up, without have to change settings everytime the computer is booted up, if i put another equal video card in the machine and ran the display and screen from different cards? if you need more specifics on cards, motherboard, processor, please let me know. Thanks!
 
Section 5 - Multi-display Tips/Tricks/Programs section


Windows 2000 and higher fully supports multi-display, however with little functionality. Luckily, as multi-display grows more popular, programs are being developed to add those functions that Microsoft missed.

Programs

The Quick List (details below):
  • Ultramon ($40)
    • All-in-one Multi-display manager.
  • MultiMonitor TaskBar (Free)
    • Adds secondary taskbars and a few window functions.
  • Zmover (Free)
    • Window management program supporting multi-display systems.
  • Maxivista ($30)
    • Software that can use other computers as secondary monitors.
  • MouseJail (Free)
    • Traps mouse to primary monitor while full screen program running. (See Escaping Mouse Fix below)

Details:

Ultramon is a small but powerful program developed by Realtime Soft. A single license costs $40 each, but is well worth the money for many reasons. Firstly, it adds secondary taskbars, secondly it adds buttons to windows so you can send a window (maximized or not) to other screens. This program can also set shortcut keys with multi-display function (See Tricks below). Ultramon can also manage desktop wallpapers and screensavers very effectively. You can also use it to set were windowed program and full screen programs will open (which screen, what position, etc.). See Overview and Features of the Ultramon website.

On a side note: I’ve seen many slightly modified version of Ultramon being sold by multi-monitor companies with boosted pricing: In the $100 and $200 range! Compare for yourself: Pricing for one license (notice any similarities in the programs?) Ultramon ($40), 9X Media ($200) , Cinemassive ($99), Zenview ($75).

MultiMonitor TaskBar offered by MediaChance is a alternative to Ultramon. It doesn’t contain all the features Ultramon has, but will certainly facilitate your multi-display experience and it’s completely free. MediaChance also made a “PRO” version which is unfortunately not free, but contains a few more features.

Zmover is also useful if you do not get a program like Ultramon. It is basically a Window management program supporting multi-display systems. See Description here.

MaxiVista is a program that can use other computers as a secondary monitor for the primary computer. This is useful if you want to use, for exemple, a laptop’s screen as a secondary display for a PC. All is needed is a LAN connection. Great way to test out multi-display (you could use the trial version) with a laptop before buying another monitor for your PC!

Tricks/Tips

Lunch(Launch) in specific monitor: You can use Ultramon or Zmover to set your desktop shortcuts so they lunch their programs in a window of certain size, position and monitor. However, only Ultramon can also modify your multi-display settings when you lunch the shortcut, and restore the settings when the application exists. Using this method, you can change the primary monitor so that full-screen applications can lunch in a specific monitor.

Wallpaper Trick: Windows only allows you to use one image for your desktop background. Or sometimes the image simply repeats in all monitors. To work around this (without using Ultramon) all you need is a picture editing program (even mspaint will work) and the pictures you want for your wallpaper. All you need to do is set your editor to create an image of the exact size (in pixels) as your entire desktop, and add your pictures so that they will appear in the correct monitor(s). Now simply set your “custom” wallpaper to center, tile or stretch, whichever seems best (sometimes depends on how your monitors are configured) and voilà problem solved. This is basically what Ultramon does when you use the wallpaper manager.

Icon Fix: One problem you may come across, is the desktop icons may “shift” back onto the primary monitor, or just re-align when disabling a secondary screen, or sometime running a full screen program. Ultramon offers a solution for this, however, it’s sometimes misses a few icons. I came across a solution, when I was reading Tweakguides’ Tweaking Companion by Koroush Ghazi* Here is an excerpt in the Visual & Convenience Tweaks section.


*Version 4.0 – May 2008

Side Note: I really recommend you read Ghazi’s work if you haven’t already, very useful. http://www.tweakguides.com/

Quick Window Control: A great trick that I have found: If you have a mouse with a(some) multi-function button(s), you could set it(them) to press an F-key. Using Ultramon or other software, set a shortcut to that F-key to move selected windows over to the next screen. You can now fully control your windows with a click of a button.

Escaping Mouse Fix: Some older games allow the mouse to “escape” the monitor the game is running on, to other monitors. When you click outside the game, the game looses focus and will either pause or minimize. To fix this problem, you can use MouseJail. (See webpage) Another solution is to use Ultramon to automatically disable secondary screens when you lunch those games.

look at the red..

however great post. i can use this at school in about a week :cool:

EDIT: cut that, just do a find for lunch and replace with launch ;)
 
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used multi-display and some how everything goes black.

Dear sniperchang or anyone else that can help,

My mother board does not have a graphics port, its a ABIT IN9 32X-MAX LGA 775 Nvidia nForce 680i SLI / NF590 SLI ATX Intel Motherboard.

My video card is a EVGA 640-P2-N821-AR GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB 320-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP.

I am using a 19" computer monitor and a 37" LCD TV.

The problem happened when I would always have to reset the dual screen after start up. But then one day after resetting the dual screen setup both monitors went black.

I have tried rebooting and resetting the CMOS and leaving the computer unplugged for a few days but everytime I try to start it up all I get is the BIOS screen to display and the Windows XP loading screen. Once windows is done loading I just get a blank screen and my monitor goes into sleep mode.

Do you know of any way I can reset my system so I can see things after the Window XP loads?

Please help, and thank you!
 
You should include the TH2GO (Triple Head 2 Go). It is prob the best display adapter for triple monitors and you only need 1 output on your graphics card in order to use.
I agree. The TripleHead2Go is a great hardware solution for multiple monitors, which is why I use it. It allows me to game across 3 monitors running at 3840x1024, and I can use my 4th monitor to monitor other running programs (MSN, WinAmp, TeamSpeak, XFire) all while playing.

The difference in Crysis:

Single Screen:

crysis_rs.jpg


TripleHead2Go

crysis_ws.jpg
 
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Very good... My dad uses multi monitors so I already knew about this, I am getting a 8800GT soon and am going to be getting a LCD screen as well ( still running a 21" CRT its heavy to say the least). What will happen if I run the 2 monitors in dual mode? One is CRT with viewable 19" and one is probably at least 20" viewable, I can see there being some sorta confusing jump between the 2... any comments about this?

Very good I must say was interesting as well... thank you!
 
Hey sniperchang, i don't think it's worth it to start a whole new thread for just a single question. I was reading through your guide (nice job! btw). I'm getting a second monitor and i want to use the multi display. I want to game on one screen, while i have my desktop on my other screen/ I only have one graphics card (9600GT), so would i just need to follow section 4?
 
Hey sniperchang, i don't think it's worth it to start a whole new thread for just a single question. I was reading through your guide (nice job! btw). I'm getting a second monitor and i want to use the multi display. I want to game on one screen, while i have my desktop on my other screen/ I only have one graphics card (9600GT), so would i just need to follow section 4?

Sorry, I haven't been on the forum for a while. You should be fine to setup your multi-display with the 9600GT. Section 4 pretty much sums it up. Just set the monitor you wish to game with as the primary monitor, and you should be good to go. Have fun ;)

Very good... My dad uses multi monitors so I already knew about this, I am getting a 8800GT soon and am going to be getting a LCD screen as well ( still running a 21" CRT its heavy to say the least). What will happen if I run the 2 monitors in dual mode? One is CRT with viewable 19" and one is probably at least 20" viewable, I can see there being some sorta confusing jump between the 2... any comments about this?

Very good I must say was interesting as well... thank you!

This question might be cold by now, but I'll answer since I'm here. You will notice a jump in your mouse, however, it's rare you'll have a window or anything really in between your monitors, only while you drag a window across. So it's not really a big deal.

However, you can fix it by setting up a custom resolution on one of your monitors to have the same pixel/size ratio, however this also means running at an non-standard resolution which would also be at a non-native resolution.
 
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