Media Protection
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I think we need to have some sort of a way to pay for music....we have all these great artists around today. If music was free then there would be no way for those artists to make money. An artist that does not make money will eventually be gone. So I say we need to pay for music so that we always have music
FXB
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Artist make money from promotion, concerts, tours and other businesses they run under there groups name.
Look at Kiss, They have the albums, the world tour, kiss kondoms, kiss action figures, Gene Simmons Family Jewels (TV), Kiss apparel.
Now if you look at the majority if not everyone who listens to music listen with mp3 players. Now some of those users have there own cd they ripped and some buy there music online thru services like iTunes. If you look at iTunes a track is 0.99$, an album 9.99$ from those prices, Apple demands a 30% profit. That leaves 0.70$ or 7.00$ to divide between the artist the label, and everyone involved in making the music. This is not how artists are making millions.
Look at Kiss, They have the albums, the world tour, kiss kondoms, kiss action figures, Gene Simmons Family Jewels (TV), Kiss apparel.
Now if you look at the majority if not everyone who listens to music listen with mp3 players. Now some of those users have there own cd they ripped and some buy there music online thru services like iTunes. If you look at iTunes a track is 0.99$, an album 9.99$ from those prices, Apple demands a 30% profit. That leaves 0.70$ or 7.00$ to divide between the artist the label, and everyone involved in making the music. This is not how artists are making millions.
Artists should make money from all their endeavours. Most people would not be happy that the artists get so little of the pot. You get your car repaired and the mechanic gets a decent percentage of the money.
The public is itself to blame. The media industry is going to suck the last penny from everyone if allowed to happen, and it is. Idiots.
Years ago, you had small production companies working with modest costs. Advertising was solely by what was played on the radio. Producers tried to influence playlists (the Payola scandal for example). The cost to the consumer was not really affected, just the quality.
Slowly, videos started to creep in and everyone got on the bandwagon including the public. Now you have video costs that are way above the audio costs and with more money at stake, more money has to be ploughed into promotion. Would the average music fan watch a TV music show/channel where there are no videos? I doubt it. We, not including me, are suckers. We forgot the music and fell in love with the video hype.
The music has taken a back seat. It makes it far more difficult for little-known artists to shine. Perhaps the rise of The Bieber from home-made videos may be seen as a chip at the industry block. Not so. The industry will soon be in there with it's own sponsored "home-made" videos. We've already seen that with teen girls apparently recommending products and it turns out they were paid.
The artists say that piracy is killing music production. Perhaps the public should stop buying altogether to return the industry to music. You want to halve the price of gasoline? Everyone use the bus for 6 months.
The public is itself to blame. The media industry is going to suck the last penny from everyone if allowed to happen, and it is. Idiots.
Years ago, you had small production companies working with modest costs. Advertising was solely by what was played on the radio. Producers tried to influence playlists (the Payola scandal for example). The cost to the consumer was not really affected, just the quality.
Slowly, videos started to creep in and everyone got on the bandwagon including the public. Now you have video costs that are way above the audio costs and with more money at stake, more money has to be ploughed into promotion. Would the average music fan watch a TV music show/channel where there are no videos? I doubt it. We, not including me, are suckers. We forgot the music and fell in love with the video hype.
The music has taken a back seat. It makes it far more difficult for little-known artists to shine. Perhaps the rise of The Bieber from home-made videos may be seen as a chip at the industry block. Not so. The industry will soon be in there with it's own sponsored "home-made" videos. We've already seen that with teen girls apparently recommending products and it turns out they were paid.
The artists say that piracy is killing music production. Perhaps the public should stop buying altogether to return the industry to music. You want to halve the price of gasoline? Everyone use the bus for 6 months.
FXB
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Do you think it should be the same with the movie industry?
have a look at this article about the music industry
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-20028837-261.html?tag=epicStories
have a look at this article about the music industry
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-20028837-261.html?tag=epicStories
You've got me going!
The introduction of iTunes showed that people are willing to pay providing they get good value for money. In the case of iTunes, paying for what you like instead of paying a lot more for a complete album.
I see the relationship between media companies and the public as similar to a drug dealer and junkies. On one side, high risk, high returns; on the other side, the choice to be one or not. It's not all down to the media companies. The "drug" of choice changes. TV and movies are losing out at the expense of the Internet and video games. Here are a few of my comments on the state of the industry and why people get turned off.
Ever-changing formats:
VHS, optical disk, DVD, Blu-Ray.... Each time the medium changes it's difficult not to buy everything over again. 10 years down the road you can't get your VHS player repaired so those movies are gone. When you buy the next format, why are you paying full price? You've already paid for the performance and cost of the original production. Why do you have to pay that again? It's fair that you have to pay for the re-engineering, cost of media production, distribution and some profit, but that's it. If you already own the movie you should get a significant discount (50-70%?).
Multi-issues:
You've seen it, the first edition; the director's cut; the platinum edition; the collector's edition. While one can say that fans are idiots to buy them all, it's the junkie getting the latest buzz and the production companies know it.
Product placement:
Product placements could be fun, eg the early Bond movies with everything British. Unfortunately the other side of that is where the dialog is total rubbish to include a sponsor's name; the coffee cup label is always facing the viewer; there's a vending machine or delivery truck in the most ridiculous location. People may not take notice. I object to surreptitious mind control.
Advertising:
I haven't watched an EPL football match on TV for years. Ever since they brought in the electronic billboards that are a constant distraction. Advertising is an unfortunate necessity of free enterprise but not to the point it diminishes the viewing experience. They have started to appear in NHL rinks, not animated but bright, reflective or fluorescent tones on the boards. On TV, stations are advertising their upcoming shows during another show, usually as an extension of the station's on-screen logo or a banner across the bottom of the screen. Distracting and annoying.
The Global Village:
Movies are still released in order to make the most of local markets and time of year. That may be changing. Who is going to wait for it to be released locally? You get a bootleg copy off the Internet and when it finally gets released in theatres you don't bother because you've seen it. The theatre experience is far nicer than viewing at home but not when you've seen the movie and you have to sit through 20 minutes of ads before the feature.
I'm sure that most people don't notice and don't care. In the long-term there are always other things to do and entertain for the freer mind. There is the "getting stuff for free" aspect but I think it's less than people make out.
I went into a office supplies store a few years ago. I couldn't find the printer inks so I went to the counter and asked. The assistant replied that so many had been stolen they keep them behind the counter. I responded that if they weren't charging $20 for a tiny plastic container of dye, nobody would be stealing them.
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FXB
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I totally agree with you Nanobyte 
I was looking for more of an open debate.
Here's an idea for the future. Instead of having all the packaging for a movie then you get the DVD which is esay to scratch why not sell ALL Media either online or on flash drives. 6 years ago you could get a 512 mb flash drive for 19.99$ Now you can get like 4gb for the same price depending where you shop.
With the arrival of internet TV I'm sure there's a USB port somewhere on those to play the movies. If not you can always stream them from netflix OR depending on your network, have it stream from your PC to your TV.
I was looking for more of an open debate.Here's an idea for the future. Instead of having all the packaging for a movie then you get the DVD which is esay to scratch why not sell ALL Media either online or on flash drives. 6 years ago you could get a 512 mb flash drive for 19.99$ Now you can get like 4gb for the same price depending where you shop.
With the arrival of internet TV I'm sure there's a USB port somewhere on those to play the movies. If not you can always stream them from netflix OR depending on your network, have it stream from your PC to your TV.
FXB
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I totally agree with you Nanobyte I was looking for more of an open debate.
Here's an idea for the future. Instead of having all the packaging for a movie then you get the DVD which is esay to scratch why not sell ALL Media either online or on flash drives. 6 years ago you could get a 512 mb flash drive for 19.99$ Now you can get like 4gb for the same price depending where you shop.
With the arrival of internet TV I'm sure there's a USB port somewhere on those to play the movies. If not you can always stream them from netflix OR depending on your network, have it stream from your PC to your TV.
I was looking for more of an open debate.Here's an idea for the future. Instead of having all the packaging for a movie then you get the DVD which is esay to scratch why not sell ALL Media either online or on flash drives. 6 years ago you could get a 512 mb flash drive for 19.99$ Now you can get like 4gb for the same price depending where you shop.
With the arrival of internet TV I'm sure there's a USB port somewhere on those to play the movies. If not you can always stream them from netflix OR depending on your network, have it stream from your PC to your TV.
Is there an echo in here? here?
There's a certain appeal to a dvd or cd package. One can rue the days of vinyl when the cover was part of the experience and writing on the sleeve was large enough to read.
Flash drives are going to be old hat in the near future. Whatever storage is used will be out of date, soon.
I'm not for online as a sole source. You are too reliant on the commercial libraries. It's nice to have your own copy for posterity. I guess you can record on to your fore-mentioned flash drive, much to the horror of the DMCA.
I'll shut up.
There's a certain appeal to a dvd or cd package. One can rue the days of vinyl when the cover was part of the experience and writing on the sleeve was large enough to read.
Flash drives are going to be old hat in the near future. Whatever storage is used will be out of date, soon.
I'm not for online as a sole source. You are too reliant on the commercial libraries. It's nice to have your own copy for posterity. I guess you can record on to your fore-mentioned flash drive, much to the horror of the DMCA.
I'll shut up.
FXB
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Yes there is a certain feeling to having the packaging I'm a big fan of vinyl artwork I find it great but then again I no longer have a turntable. I like the idea of being able to have access to everything from my computer.
USB 2.0 will be around for a few years or until Intel decides to support USB 3.0 which is backward compatible with USB 2.0. The industry can easily swap the format because the upgrade cost is low. Now I imagine video quality would be less on a flash drive.
I don't understand this last part.
FXB
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I was referring to online purchases like with iTunes. The downfall is the lack of Album Art and the tangible experience but at this point it seems like everyone just gives up on CDs. I was at my mom's yesterday and she was broadcasting music from the TV. When I listen to music I just play it from my desktop as does my dad.
I mostly listen via PC although I have many radio channels via my satellite TV service and I have an excellent hi-fi setup. It's where you're sat.
Returning to media, I'm all for people like Cameron, Spielberg, Lucas and many others getting well-rewarded for their work. Sci-Fi and Fantasy are not mainstream genres (based on popularity of TV shows) but were the driving force behind nearly all digital imaging and the following explosion of realistic SFX and video games. In addition a lot of talented people go about their work in the entertainment industry unheralded and working long unsociable hours. Good for them.
I'm not for the talentless "famous for being famous" dross that graces much of popular TV. When those people stuff their wealth in your face with no shame it's easy to be a cynic of the entertainment industry. You can say the same of sports stars gone wrong. Fabulously wealthy and sometimes spoiled brats that drag the business down. The public is ultimately to blame for this behaviour, lapping up the latest train wreck via the gutter press. Where people have no respect, they do things they would not otherwise do.
Back in the days of people like Frank Sinatra, Clark Gable and Audrey Hepburn, stars could be famous and wealthy without harm to reputation. The media was far less intrusive and almost cap-in-hand to stardom. Even back then it would not be difficult to make knock-offs of 78s and movies (to be used in theatres) but people didn't. Ditto for famous brands of consumer goods. The way media and greed have developed since it's like I described; drug dealers and junkies. The junkies will do anything to get their fix.
Returning to media, I'm all for people like Cameron, Spielberg, Lucas and many others getting well-rewarded for their work. Sci-Fi and Fantasy are not mainstream genres (based on popularity of TV shows) but were the driving force behind nearly all digital imaging and the following explosion of realistic SFX and video games. In addition a lot of talented people go about their work in the entertainment industry unheralded and working long unsociable hours. Good for them.
I'm not for the talentless "famous for being famous" dross that graces much of popular TV. When those people stuff their wealth in your face with no shame it's easy to be a cynic of the entertainment industry. You can say the same of sports stars gone wrong. Fabulously wealthy and sometimes spoiled brats that drag the business down. The public is ultimately to blame for this behaviour, lapping up the latest train wreck via the gutter press. Where people have no respect, they do things they would not otherwise do.
Back in the days of people like Frank Sinatra, Clark Gable and Audrey Hepburn, stars could be famous and wealthy without harm to reputation. The media was far less intrusive and almost cap-in-hand to stardom. Even back then it would not be difficult to make knock-offs of 78s and movies (to be used in theatres) but people didn't. Ditto for famous brands of consumer goods. The way media and greed have developed since it's like I described; drug dealers and junkies. The junkies will do anything to get their fix.