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FATALiiTYz

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So I have a friend who has a lot more knowledge than me.. well you guessed it around audio. So speakers, headphones, drivers etc.

I was talking to him today about in ear headphones and normal the headphones and he was saying that there's no way that you can get proper bass throug headphones due to the fact that the driver's are so small and that there's not much air being moved?. I don't really know whether to believe him but he claims that to experience real loud deep bass, you need a good 10" sub, amplifier, blah blah.

So even if you were to buy a really good quality sony/sennheiser/good-branded headphone you wouldn't even be able to get close to good, loud, clear bass?

For reference on what I define as a good quality Sony,

http://www.megabuy.com.au/sony-extra-bass-mdrxb500-p93494.html

What are your thoughts?
 
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Of course you can get deep bass from headphones. With less air to move between the headphone diaphragms and the eardrum within the ear canal, you don't NEED large diaphragms.

If you're talking about stuff like earbuds or the old-style earphones that you plug into your ears, you can still get good bass.

Want good ones? Look here: http://www.etymotic.com/
 
Well first problem is, never reference Sony in the audio world. They don't make good speakers or headphones.

That out of the way, headphones can reproduce bass. I think your friend is getting speakers concepts and headphones concepts mixed up. It's true that any drivers larger than ~10" cannot reproduce low bass. In fact, my 10" sub only goes down to 35 hz. I think my parents living room 12" sub goes down to ~25hz.
 
A good set of head phones will give you a much more accurate bass response. He sounds like one of those kids who runs subs in a car where the gain is so high the amp is clipping and he is running door speakers off his head unit.

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Well first problem is, never reference Sony in the audio world. They don't make good speakers or headphones.

That out of the way, headphones can reproduce bass. I think your friend is getting speakers concepts and headphones concepts mixed up. It's true that any drivers larger than ~10" cannot reproduce low bass. In fact, my 10" sub only goes down to 35 hz. I think my parents living room 12" sub goes down to ~25hz.
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Speaker size doesn't matter when it comes down to how low they can go. The thing with bass is that the lower it is, the more air has to move to sound "linear". Because 12s have a larger surface air, they don't have to move as far to produce low bass. However, a good 10 will be able to produce low bass, 20hz, no problem. You just need a lot more excursion. I have a FI Q 10" with 28mm of xmax that absolutely slams down low.
 
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Motoxrdude said:
A good set of head phones will give you a much more accurate bass response. He sounds like one of those kids who runs subs in a car where the gain is so high the amp is clipping and he is running door speakers off his head unit.



Speaker size doesn't matter when it comes down to how low they can go. The thing with bass is that the lower it is, the more air has to move to sound "linear". Because 12s have a larger surface air, they don't have to move as far to produce low bass. However, a good 10 will be able to produce low bass, 20hz, no problem. You just need a lot more excursion. I have a FI Q 10" with 28mm of xmax that absolutely slams down low.
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You're right, but very rarely do you see midrange drivers produce any type of accurate bass.
 
lmao, i'm his friend, and you don't get the same feeling or volume from cans as you do from a proper stereo, when i get a car (i'm 15 so in 2 years) i'm not going to be one of those douches that runs their car stereo like that xD, i'd hope for something like 2 amps, 1500w (rms) monoblock for a good sub, and a 1000w (rms) multichannel amp for front of house. anyways, headphones aren't the same as a proper stereo, I don't think they ever will be. They don't move the volume of air, they aren't ventilated, they are basically tweeters layed out in a stereo format. I really like my headphones, I have aerial7 Tank cans, but headphones just aren't the same. Every pair of headphones i've ever used, you miss out on a portion of the song that you just can't hear, even running headphones through an amp, they just don't do it.
 
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I ran an 18" FI BL on 2600w rms @ .01% THD, dual alternators, dual batteries, 9ft^3 box at 24hz, I understand what low is. What you are mixing up is accurate bass, and ridiculously unbalanced bass. A good set of head phones will almost always have a more accurate and linear bass curve. Running subs in your car doesn't make you an audiophile, but tuning everything from your EQ, to box and cabin resonance to get a true accurate bass does. Bass shouldn't be overwhelming, it should sound completely natural in a song.
 
Motoxrdude said:
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I ran an 18" FI BL on 2600w rms @ .01% THD, dual alternators, dual batteries, 9ft^3 box at 24hz, I understand what low is. What you are mixing up is accurate bass, and ridiculously unbalanced bass. A good set of head phones will almost always have a more accurate and linear bass curve. Running subs in your car doesn't make you an audiophile, but tuning everything from your EQ, to box and cabin resonance to get a true accurate bass does. Bass shouldn't be overwhelming, it should sound completely natural in a song.
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I know, that's why the people that are like "what's this knob do??? :S" on their amp and use normal top end car speakers fail, what i am trying to say is that the bass from headphones isn't as realistic as if you were at a concert, how it's meant to sound.

Nice box by the way, it probably needed to be bigger though.
 
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I know, that's why the people that are like "what's this knob do??? :S" on their amp and use normal top end car speakers fail, what i am trying to say is that the bass from headphones isn't as realistic as if you were at a concert, how it's meant to sound.

Nice box by the way, it probably needed to be bigger though.
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Bigger then 9ft^3. Lol no, that's actually a little bit bigger then recommended.
 
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